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Offline BarefootDanC

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Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« on: April 07, 2025, 07:17:PM »
I wonder if Jeremy might never get a decision from the CCRC.

In March 2021, a 1,000+ page dossier was submitted, containing 8 grounds with multiple issues within each grounds and with the issues being "inter-linked".

As Bamber has had 3 prior appeals followed by the CCRC being asked to review his case again during 2004-2011, during which the CCRC went over many issues when faced a Judicial Review application (twice) in 2012, the CCRC has to go through this lengthy 1,000+ page dossier in light of everything which has been considered before.

Since March 2021, other two issues has been added, one of which was Boyce's Aga burns theory, plus other material, including the New Yorker article, arguments to do with the silencer not having a label and now this "anonymous" police officer who has blown the whistle and made a Witness Statement.

The CCRC are due to make a decision on the three main grounds about now and if the decision in unfavourable, the CCRC will provide a Provisional Statement of Reasons to which Bamber's lawyers can make further representations.

I think the submissions and legal arguments could just go on forever and ever and ever....

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2025, 07:34:PM »
I could have gone on for longer ....

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2025, 09:18:AM »
Bit of a none starter with all due respect Dan. Obviously he will eventually get a decision.
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2025, 07:36:PM »
Quote from: BarefootDanC link=topic=12526.msg579166#msg579166 date=1744049857

I think the submissions and legal arguments could just go on forever and ever and ever....
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Unlikely, if you read the Casework Policies. He will fall foul of PAM (Persistent, Abusive, Malicious) Applicants policy and perhaps other policies designed to prevent what the CCRC regard as irrelevant submissions
Reference:  CW-POL-14
https://ccrc.gov.uk/casework-policies/

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2025, 09:46:PM »
[quote author=BarefootDanC link=topic=12526.msg579166#msg579166 date=1744049857

I think the submissions and legal arguments could just go on forever and ever and ever....

Unlikely, if you read the Casework Policies. He will fall foul of PAM (Persistent, Abusive, Malicious) Applicants policy and perhaps other policies designed to prevent what the CCRC regard as irrelevant submissions
Reference:  CW-POL-14
https://ccrc.gov.uk/casework-policies/

Thanks. I did read a case where the CCRC told a convict that due to his repetitive submissions, he could not send in a further submission unless it was a by a lawyer who had identified new and compelling grounds.

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2025, 10:02:AM »
I thought the CCRC was due to announce a decision in April 2025?
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2025, 01:38:PM »
I thought the CCRC was due to announce a decision in April 2025?

Originally they were to make a decision on the four most detailed grounds in March, then it got moved to April and they eventually met on  Maundy Thursday.

I then went a bit quiet and, apparently, Bamber (or his solicitor) has been told that the CCRC will write to him with an update.

The decision will either be a referral or lead to them producing a Provisional Statement of Reasons on grounds 1 - 4.

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2025, 01:57:PM »
We've already booked him on a cruise for 2026.

That's my deposit fucked.
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2025, 02:02:PM »
We've already booked him on a cruise for 2026.

That's my deposit fucked.
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2025, 06:11:PM »
Im always available ILB

I genuinely have a feeling he may get a referral

Not so confident of him getting a result at the COA however.
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2025, 06:14:PM »
Im always available ILB

My Mrs goes on them with her sisters and some of her mates.

Don't think it would be my cup of tea.

« Last Edit: May 01, 2025, 06:15:PM by ILB »
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2025, 07:54:PM »
I genuinely have a feeling he may get a referral

Not so confident of him getting a result at the COA however.

Why do you feel that? What would be the grounds?

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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2025, 07:59:PM »
Why do you feel that? What would be the grounds?

Pressure on the ccrc but also maybe an impact on the CCRC, and also a gut feeling.

And grounds that appear compelling that may not be when fully checked out. Much like 2002. Hence my COA comment.

Just my opinion.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2025, 07:59:PM by ILB »
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2025, 08:02:PM »
What's the skillset of the vast majority of the ccrc workforce?

Judiciary? Police? Prison service? Civil servant?

What skillset do you need to have to possess to state a case may be deemed unsafe that you can refer? When in normal criminal cases 12 members of the public from a bin man to a company director can decide your fate?

I don't like the concept personally but that is just my two cents.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2025, 08:03:PM by ILB »
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Re: Why Bamber might never get a decision from the CCRC
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2025, 08:13:AM »
We've already booked him on a cruise for 2026.

That's my deposit fucked.

Why a cruise? 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQq5gnwGjs