Putting the AM to bed.

[ILB]

ILB used to say Bamber saying he had switched his AM off would not be acceptable to him.

This was when he was in the 38 year safe haven of people disputing whether he had an AM on the night, or not.

Once the J4J video came out he said last month Bamber's claim is 'dodgy'.

He now says it is 'not incriminating' & wants the issue 'put to bed'.

Such lies Adam.

Obviously if he switched it off on the August 6th 1985, and it's usual habit was to be on. Then questions would arise.

He quantified that his usual habit was to switch it off when indoors.

[ILB]

Whether you believe JB innocent or guilty he will not be a reliable witness circa 40 years later.  Even if he wants and believes he is telling the truth he is unreliable by virtue of what he has been through during the last 40 years.

Why do you dispute he had an AM? He admits having one!

Why would his CT say he had one if he denied having one!

[ILB]

The phones were pored over in AE's and JM's wit stats but not a word about an AM.  JB was interrogated during his police interviews about the phones but not a word about an AM.

In fairness, in the early days I was shocked that when AE telephoned Bourtree on numerous occasions I was shocked that there was no mention of an AM.

But Bamber is saying he had one.

[ILB]

The Tik Tok videos are from people such as Emma Morris who is a key part of JBs CT.

There's no way that they stated Bamber had a AM, if he denied having one. He even describes the type of AM he had.

[Adam]

Such lies Adam.

Obviously if he switched it off on the August 6th 1985, and it's usual habit was to be on. Then questions would arise.

He quantified that his usual habit was to switch it off when indoors.

He's not going to say he just switched it off that night.

[Cambridgecutie]

Why do you dispute he had an AM? He admits having one!

Why would his CT say he had one if he denied having one!

- AE makes ref to calling Bourtree repeatedly on morning of 7th Aug upon hearing there was something going on at WHF.  No mention of an AM

- AE questions how long it would take JB to reach his phone to take any call from NB at circa 3.30am.  She makes ref to the flex on the phone, its location etc.  No mention of an AM.

- JM makes no ref to an AM

- DS Jones interrogates JB over and over about the phone calls.  If there was any evidence JB had an AM you would expect him to use it against JB eg why wasn't it switched on or why didn't it kick in?  Why wasn't it switched on after circa 10pm call to JM?  Would he turn it on when he left for work?

- The prosecution case against JB relied heavily on the phone calls.  If there was any evidence JB had an AM it would have been used against him.

- The fact JB states, decades after the event, he had an AM is not reliable evidence he had an AM pre-murders set against the above. 

- The fact his CT/Emma Morris state he had an AM, decades after the event, he had an AM is not reliable evidence he had an AM pre-murders set against the above.

[Cambridgecutie]

The Tik Tok videos are from people such as Emma Morris who is a key part of JBs CT.

There's no way that they stated Bamber had a AM, if he denied having one. He even describes the type of AM he had.

My background required me to look at data analytically, objectively, critically, logically, independently and that's what I am doing here. 

I do not find Emma Morris, JB or the CT reliable sources of info.  With the exception of ngb1066 I am not impressed by anyone, past and present, who claims to support JB.  In fact I think they do more harm than good.  Others who have had successful appeals eg Andy Malikson did not have CT's, Tik Tok vids, books and films produced, etc, etc.

I no longer look at any SM case related material as I find it of such poor quality it adds zero value to understanding the case. 

I am not denying he had an AM post murders.  His lifestyle changed overnight.  He was here, there any everywhere and fielding a lot of calls. 

[Adam]

No surprise Bamber had an AM. He was a wannabe man about town but had to work long hours.

Both Brett & Virginia Greaves leaving messages on it days after the massacre. There is no possibility he bought it after the massacre.

The J4J video negates CC/Curiosity's kicking and screaming 

[Cambridgecutie]

No surprise Bamber had an AM. He was a wannabe man about town but had to work long hours.

Both Brett & Virginia Greaves leaving messages on it days after the massacre. There is no possibility he bought it after the massacre.

The J4J video negates CC/Curiosity's kicking and screaming

Yes after the murders.  What precluded him from buying one shortly afterwards?  I have thought SC might have had one and he used this at Bourtree but that's just a thought on the basis I think I recall VG left him a message on an AM when I thought he was at SC's flat. 

On the contrary.  The evidence by way of official docs overwhelmingly points away from an AM pre-murders.

[Adam]

ILB agrees Bamber had an AM. Is now saying it is not incriminating.

CC/Curiosity says an AM is very incriminating. Is the only person  left saying he didn't have one.

Different tactics from determined supporters. That is fine.

[Rob_]

Oh pleeeze...there is no smoking gun by way of a tape, video, documents or any other material. 

The phone calls were pored over in great detail in the ws's of AE and JM, JB's police interviews and trial documents but not one word about an AM because it simply did not exist pre murders. 

Whether you believe JB innocent or guilty he will not be a reliable witness circa 40 years later.  Even if he wants and believes he is telling the truth he is unreliable by virtue of what he has been through during the last 40 years.

I was not referring to a message from Nevil, but if guilty and if he used the AM to fake a call (assuming he had one?) there would be a large blank area on the tape where his own call was erased.

I still don't think JB had a AM pre tragedy, but if he did why were the police not all over it?

[Adam]

I was not referring to a message from Nevil, but if guilty and if he used the AM to fake a call (assuming he had one?) there would be a large blank area on the tape where his own call was erased.

I still don't think JB had a AM pre tragedy, but if he did why were the police not all over it?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12109.msg557610.html#msg557610

J4J say he had an AM. You posted on the thread.

Brett & Virginia Greaves rang it just after the massacre.

Even ILB says he had one.

Concede.

[Adam]

I was not referring to a message from Nevil, but if guilty and if he used the AM to fake a call (assuming he had one?) there would be a large blank area on the tape where his own call was erased.

I still don't think JB had a AM pre tragedy, but if he did why were the police not all over it?

Don't understand your first paragraph.

He just had to let his AM pick up. Then hang up 10 seconds later.

Answering his own call or finding out if calls could be tracked are also things he could have done.

As usual, options. 

[Adam]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11354.msg525447.html#msg525447

ILB posted in 2022 -

'Turning his AM off as Mike says on a night his family were killed would reek of guilt'.

[Adam]

Mike says turning his AM off -

'Would have been looked upon by others (and myself) as a suspicious act on his part.'

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Mike says Bamber told him he got to the phone before the AM came on.

That would be impossible from a starting position of sleeping 'like a log' upstairs.

The CT narrative has been changed to the only option.