Experiment carried out for CC/Curiosity

[Adam]

'she had nothing to do with the murders'.

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Seems Curiosity is a guilter. Hopefully she provides her Bamber scenario. I did ask before but she refused.

If she agrees with mine or CAL's, let me know.

[David1819]

CC/Curiosity believes they were internal metal screws.

That were "prodded" into him during WW2 without a scalpel, 30 years before the first spinal screw surgery was performed. 

[Curiosity]

'she had nothing to do with the murders'.

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Seems Curiosity is a guilter. Hopefully she provides her Bamber scenario. I did ask before but she refused.

If she agrees with mine or CAL's, let me know.

How dare you call me a she!!!  I'm not even transvestite, but a full-blown hetero-male!

[Adam]

That were prodded into him during WW2 without a scalpel, 30 years before the first spinal screw surgery was performed. 

Sounds painful.

[Cambridgecutie]

I wonder just how they were caused.

I've always maintained they were connected to NB's broken back and subsequent surgery during WW2.  I've recently concluded spinal hardware.  As we know post death blood pools in the lowest part of the body.  Given NB's found position, ie perched on the back of the chair with his head hanging forward, the location of the marks was the highest part of his body.  With blood draining away, the spine stretched and curved and the skin drying, I believe the spinal hardware started to protrude from within thus causing the marks.

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[Cambridgecutie]

That were "prodded" into him during WW2 without a scalpel, 30 years before the first spinal screw surgery was performed. 

NB broke his back when his plane crashed during WW2.  He subsequently underwent surgery.  Spinal hardware was used during the 40's.  In any event he may have undergone further treatment at a later date if he had further issues.  No one said anything was "prodded" into him. 

[Adam]

NB broke his back when his plane crashed during WW2.  He subsequently underwent surgery.  Spinal hardware was used during the 40's.  In any event he may have undergone further treatment at a later date if he had further issues.  No one said anything was "prodded" into him.

It is a shame a qualified pathologist examined the body and said they were 'distinct burns'.

Bamber has wasted time between 2004-2012 and 2021-present with the CCRC on the basis they were burns.

[Adam]

It seems that Curiosity is not going to submit her Bamber scenario. After my second request.

Can only assume she agrees with mine.

[Adam]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.msg26101.html#msg26101

Regarding the twins being shot with shots 1/2 or 10/11, the diagram does show there was a room between the twins room & the main bedroom. This must be 'the box room'.

In such a big house this would help give him the confidence to shoot the twins first. Once each.

After that, the evidence shows he entered the main bedroom via the main bedroom door.

Then opened fire on June from her side of the bed. This was to keep his distance from Nevill while simultaneously being able to shoot him with the rifle nozzle inches from his face. 

[Adam]

All good tactics. But good tactics doesn't guarantee an easy win.

[Cambridgecutie]

It is a shame a qualified pathologist examined the body and said they were 'distinct burns'.

Bamber has wasted time between 2004-2012 and 2021-present with the CCRC on the basis they were burns.

He actually described them as "three distinct burn marks" at pm.  As Prof Knight said, Dr Vanezis had 5 pm's to carry out and was undoubtedly working under pressure.  There was no reason for him to ponder over the marks when they did not contribute to death and all concerned were proceeding with murder/suicide.  When he wasn't under pressure and he was examined and cross-examined at trial he concluded he was uncertain as to what the marks were. 

[Cambridgecutie]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.msg26101.html#msg26101

Regarding the twins being shot with shots 1/2 or 10/11, the diagram does show there was a room between the twins room & the main bedroom. This must be 'the box room'.

In such a big house this would help give him the confidence to shoot the twins first. Once each.

After that, the evidence shows he entered the main bedroom via the main bedroom door.

Then opened fire on June from her side of the bed. This was to keep his distance from Nevill while simultaneously being able to shoot him with the rifle nozzle inches from his face.

The pathological evidence supports the twins sustaining all gunshot wounds in quick succession evidenced by the fact there did not appear to be any movement.  The shooter was clearly standing between the twins beds evidenced by the casings, distance of shots and wound tracks.

[Cambridgecutie]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.msg26101.html#msg26101

Regarding the twins being shot with shots 1/2 or 10/11, the diagram does show there was a room between the twins room & the main bedroom. This must be 'the box room'.

In such a big house this would help give him the confidence to shoot the twins first. Once each.

After that, the evidence shows he entered the main bedroom via the main bedroom door.

Then opened fire on June from her side of the bed. This was to keep his distance from Nevill while simultaneously being able to shoot him with the rifle nozzle inches from his face.

The rifle/magazine was capable of holding 11 cartridges: 10 in the magazine and 1 in the breech. 

The pathological evidence supports the twins sustaining all gunshot wounds in quick succession evidenced by the fact there did not appear to be any movement.  The shooter was clearly standing between the twins beds evidenced by the casings, distance of shots and wound tracks.  The twins sustained a total of 8 gunshot wounds.

1st round of shooting

NB was not in the bedroom when June sustained gunshot wounds.  The shooter inflicted either 5 or *6 gunshot wounds on June whilst she was in bed but leaving her mobile to walk around the bed and back again evidenced by the blood stains to the carpet and casings.

NB sustained his 4 upstairs gunshot wounds on the stairs immediately preceeding the main bedroom and the main staircase evidenced by the blood stains/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

* Ballistics and pathological evidence unclear whether June sustained a graze only wound from a bullet richochet connected to another entry/exit wound or whether it was independent of other entry/exit wounds.

[Adam]

The pathological evidence supports the twins sustaining all gunshot wounds in quick succession evidenced by the fact there did not appear to be any movement.  The shooter was clearly standing between the twins beds evidenced by the casings, distance of shots and wound tracks.

Only in your non qualified mind 

[Adam]

I do agree with Guest29835 that Nevill was not in bed or in the bedroom long enough for blood to drip onto his bed or onto the carpet.

It was a rifle for shooting rabbits.