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Re: Refer or not!
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2025, 10:19:PM »
JB was not convicted on JM's testimony.  He was convicted on the blood evidence.  JM had nothing to do with the blood evidence.

That's true, but if JB is innocent of this crime Mugford went on the stand took the oath and spoke a load of bollocks which was a contributing factor as to why an innocent man was jailed for life.

I still agree with the late Anthony Arlidge, that JM was the strongest piece they had.
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2025, 10:22:PM »
Bet there was a lot of propaganda.

You acted on your own free will.

The Milgram experiment was a series of social psychology experiments that demonstrated how people can be forced to obey orders from an authority figure, even if those orders go against their own conscience.

I did and so did Mugford.

Do you believe Stan and Julie were intimate?
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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2025, 10:27:PM »
The "powers that be" don't have to admit they were wrong. The CCRC are independent of the the police, the CPS and the government, as is the Court of Appeal.

If the 1,000+ page dossier really is fully of lots of "inarguable" grounds like the Campaign Team claim it is, there is no reason for the CCRC not to refer.

The CCRC would look very silly if they lost at a Judicial Review!

You misread my point.

By the powers that be will never admit I was talking about him getting a succsefull COA aquittal.  Much like 2002, one ground unless bombshell won't be enough to quash the conviction is other evidence at trial remains unchallenged which led to a route to which Mugford did .I reference Victor Temple QC 2002.

Looking beyond, but a successful ccrc referral is not his biggest problem.
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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2025, 06:23:AM »
I did and so did Mugford.

Do you believe Stan and Julie were intimate?

If they were it would have been down to what was in it for her. Stan not exactly an oil painting.

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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2025, 08:20:AM »
If they were it would have been down to what was in it for her. Stan not exactly an oil painting.
I would disagree with that -
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« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2025, 08:33:AM »
That's true, but if JB is innocent of this crime Mugford went on the stand took the oath and spoke a load of bollocks which was a contributing factor as to why an innocent man was jailed for life.

I still agree with the late Anthony Arlidge, that JM was the strongest piece they had.

Well AA is wrong and you are too.

If JM was the strongest piece they had the CCRC would not have refererred to CoA in 2002 based on the blood evidence.  The blood WAS by far the strongest evidence.

https://ccrc.gov.uk/decision/bamber-jeremy/
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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2025, 08:35:AM »
Quote from: ILB link=topic=12443.msg5755[30#msg575530 date=1739226161
I did and so did Mugford.

No she did not if police protocol was not followed.  Its called an abuse of power.

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Do you believe Stan and Julie were intimate?

No.  Why are you asking such a question?
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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2025, 08:36:AM »
Well AA is wrong and you are too.

If JM was the strongest piece they had the CCRC would not have refererred to CoA in 2002 based on the blood evidence.  The blood WAS by far the strongest evidence.

https://ccrc.gov.uk/decision/bamber-jeremy/

That is not true.

Appeals have been heard over the years on numerous cases when put forward on a particular ground only to be shut down at a COA hearing when a respondent QC/KC highlights other evidence that has remained unaffected.
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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2025, 08:37:AM »
Many of Bambers grounds at his 2002 appeal hearing were almost mocked. The three judges scathing of some almost.
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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2025, 08:40:AM »
You misread my point.

By the powers that be will never admit I was talking about him getting a succsefull COA aquittal.  Much like 2002, one ground unless bombshell won't be enough to quash the conviction is other evidence at trial remains unchallenged which led to a route to which Mugford did .I reference Victor Temple QC 2002.

Looking beyond, but a successful ccrc referral is not his biggest problem.

JB needs to submit evidence that meet the criteria set out by the CPS:

The Court of Appeal may hear new evidence that was not adduced in the original proceedings (section 23(1)(c) Criminal Appeal Act 1968), if:

it appears capable of belief;
it may afford any ground for allowing the appeal;
it would have been admissible;
it is an issue which is the subject of the appeal;
there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce it.

He submits material that goes no way to meeting the above criteria hence its rejected. 
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« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2025, 08:42:AM »
No she did not if police protocol was not followed.  Its called an abuse of power.

She approached DS Jones.

He didn't force her in a corner, unless you have evidence of which?

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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2025, 08:43:AM »
No she did not if police protocol was not followed.  Its called an abuse of power.

No.  Why are you asking such a question?
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« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2025, 08:46:AM »
That is not true.

Appeals have been heard over the years on numerous cases when put forward on a particular ground only to be shut down at a COA hearing when a respondent QC/KC highlights other evidence that has remained unaffected.

We are not talking about other cases; we're talking about JB's.  The blood and how it came to be there is by far the strongest evidence so it is this that needs undermining before other aspects can be considered.
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« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2025, 08:47:AM »
Many of Bambers grounds at his 2002 appeal hearing were almost mocked. The three judges scathing of some almost.

I am not surprised they were mocked.  At best they were weak.
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« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2025, 08:50:AM »
She approached DS Jones.

He didn't force her in a corner, unless you have evidence of which?

What evidence do you have that she approached DS Jones?

What evidenced do you have that he didn't force her into a corner?
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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