When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them...

[mike tesko]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

[Roch]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

That's true but why did he not persist in this accusation in the aftermath of the killings? How did he also end up buying the four murders and a suicide scenario?

[mike tesko]

Police are responsible for spreading this false rumor, which as timed moved on, became an accepted fact, but the truth of the mater is that Jeremy has never accused Sheila of killing anyone, or herself - it was the prosecution who put the case to the jury that it could only have been Sheila or Jeremy, but as we now know some evidence did exist which was not raised before the jury that Jeremy accused the police of killing everyone...

In view of Jeremy's accusation which he made to a police officer immediately upon being told that all his family were dead, the jury should have been given the choice of (a) Sheila, (b) Jeremy, and or (c) the police?

If Choice (c) had been given to the jury, and the allegation made by Jeremy to PC Oliver at the scene, that the police had shot and killed his family, the court would have looked into the possibility that the crime scene had been stage managed by the police before pictures were taken, and not that Jeremy had stage managed the scene himself...

Jeremy Bamber got blamed for doing things at the scene, which the police were/are responsible for doing, and by blaming Jeremy for doing the things which the police did, it made it look more likely that Jeremy killed everyone including his sister, and that he was the one who had done the stage managing...

If option (c) had been an issue at the time of the trial, I am positive that with all the evidence now available that the court would have been persuade that it was the police who stage managed the scene, not Jeremy, or anyone else...

It should also be pointed out, that during his summing up speech, Justice Drake told the jury that the killer had to be either Sheila or Jeremy and that there was no suggestion that anyone else could have been responsible, but we now know that Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, and with this in mind, this was evidence of a possible third party involvement, which was relevant to the case, and which should not have been kept back from the jury...

In effect...

The trial judge misdirected the jury on that point...

[mike tesko]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

That's true but why did he not persist in this accusation in the aftermath of the killings? How did he also end up buying the four murders and a suicide scenario?

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I put this down to shock on his behalf, he must have been inflicted with some sort of a blank in his memory, and so completely forgot that he had accused the police of shooting dead his family, and its significance. I remember when I first spoke to Jeremy in 1989 at HMP Full Sutton about the general circumstances of his case, and it only dawned upon him at that stage (four years later) that he had an alibi because he and two police officers had seen the figure moving about in the main bedroom and at that stage there must have been someone alive inside the farmhouse, at a time when he was in the presence of the police...

I put it down to shock, of being arrested and charged with the murders, after the loss of his family, and advice he received or did not receive from those representing him at the time?

looking at this matter in hindsight, the court should have been told what Jeremy's reaction was at the time news was broken to him about all his family being dead, but this crucial piece of information/evidence was held back...

[mike tesko]

Why didn't the police raise this evidence when they testified during the trial?

[mike tesko]

As far as I am aware, PC Oliver was never called to court to testify, which is strange considering that Jeremy was in his company when the news his family were all dead was broken to Jeremy?

I think PC Olivers "non attendance" at court was a deliberate ploy to enable the case to be run and decided on it being either (a) Sheila, or (b) Jeremy, who was responsible for the killings...

Imagine what it would have meant to Jeremy's defense team, if all the crime scene pictures had been disposed, and the court looked into the possibility that the police could have shot and killed the family when they entered the farmhouse?

Imagine that exercise being carried out, against a backdrop of all the irregularities relating to the bullets, (Crime scene ammunition) and movement of the bodies, and various other exhibits at the scene?

I am convinced that the jury would easily have been persuaded that the police stage managed the crime scene, and not that Jeremy could have done...

It would then  have been a case of why did the police stage manage the bodies, and the crime scene in general?

[grahameb]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

To say that he must have heard them shooting?

[Roch]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

That's true but why did he not persist in this accusation in the aftermath of the killings? How did he also end up buying the four murders and a suicide scenario?

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I put this down to shock on his behalf, he must have been inflicted with some sort of a blank in his memory, and so completely forgot that he had accused the police of shooting dead his family, and its significance. I remember when I first spoke to Jeremy in 1989 at HMP Full Sutton about the general circumstances of his case, and it only dawned upon him at that stage (four years later) that he had an alibi because he and two police officers had seen the figure moving about in the main bedroom and at that stage there must have been someone alive inside the farmhouse, at a time when he was in the presence of the police...

I put it down to shock, of being arrested and charged with the murders, after the loss of his family, and advice he received or did not receive from those re[resenting him at the time?

Thanks, interesting opinion.  It doesn't help him in regard to those who have accused him of changing his version events.  On the one hand, a sighting of a person in the farmhouse does tie in with him later accusing police... because he would have known that there was at least somebody alive in the farmhouse, prior to being informed that all occupants were dead.  So there is a ring of truth in it.  On the minus side, possible memory lapses aside, the fact remains it did not form part of his defence. 

[mike tesko]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

To say that he must have heard them shooting?

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I disagree with that, because Jeremy was sat in a police car hundreds of yards away parked up in pages lane, and if you are inside a police car that far away from the farmhouse, there is absolutely no way anyone could hear any noises that might be being made far away inside the farmhouse, no chance of anyone hearing anything at all in those circumstances...

[mike tesko]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

That's true but why did he not persist in this accusation in the aftermath of the killings? How did he also end up buying the four murders and a suicide scenario?

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I put this down to shock on his behalf, he must have been inflicted with some sort of a blank in his memory, and so completely forgot that he had accused the police of shooting dead his family, and its significance. I remember when I first spoke to Jeremy in 1989 at HMP Full Sutton about the general circumstances of his case, and it only dawned upon him at that stage (four years later) that he had an alibi because he and two police officers had seen the figure moving about in the main bedroom and at that stage there must have been someone alive inside the farmhouse, at a time when he was in the presence of the police...

I put it down to shock, of being arrested and charged with the murders, after the loss of his family, and advice he received or did not receive from those re[resenting him at the time?

Thanks, interesting opinion.  It doesn't help him in regard to those who have accused him of changing his version events.  On the one hand, a sighting of a person in the farmhouse does tie in with him later accusing police because he would known that there was at least somebody alive in the farmhouse prior to being informed that all occupants were dead. So there is a ring of truth in it.  On the minus side, possible memory lapses aside, the fact remains it did not form part of his defence.

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But that doesn't mean that it cannot any longer form part of his case if the matter gets back to the court of appeal...

[mike tesko]

Lets just gets the facts right, so that there cannot be any misunderstanding - PC Oliver did not notify anyone that Jeremy had accused the police of shooting dead his family, until COLP saw PC Oliver in 1991, and PC Oliver refers to it in his statement that he made to COLP at that time (1991), and so, it is something new which was not available to Jeremy or his legal team at the time of his trial, and something which has not yet been tested by any appeal court judgement...

[Roch]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

To say that he must have heard them shooting?

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I disagree with that, because Jeremy was sat in a police car hundreds of yards away parked up in pages lane, and if you are inside a police car that far away from the farmhouse, there is absolutely no way anyone could hear any noises that might be being made far away inside the farmhouse, no chance of anyone hearing anything at all in those circumstances...

You have cleared up a query from bob with this post.

[Roch]

Lets just gets the facts right, so that there cannot be any misunderstanding - PC Oliver did not notify anyone that Jeremy had accused the police of shooting dead his family, until COLP saw PC Oliver in 1991, and PC Oliver refers to it in his statement that he made to COLP at that time (1991), and so, it is something new which was not available to Jeremy or his legal team at the time of his trial, and something which has not yet been tested by any appeal court judgement...

Your shock theory does work you know.  You are alleging that it took him four years to remember the farmhouse window sighting, which will be labelled by some as being 'convenient' to say the least.  Yet it is the police themselves another two years on again, that bring to light his comments about the raid team being responsible for the deaths.  It rings true.

[chochokeira]

When told his family were dead - Jeremy accused police of killing them

The suggestion that Jeremy put the idea that Sheila killed everyone and that she then killed herself, into the minds of the police, is ridiculous and totally untrue...

Jeremy accused the police of shooting dead his family, including Sheila...

That's true but why did he not persist in this accusation in the aftermath of the killings? How did he also end up buying the four murders and a suicide scenario?

From what I've read of the aftermath of the murders, Jeremy was in deep shock as soon as he learned of this. He was at first angry and upset and blamed the police for the murders, then he drained of emotion as his brain went into the classic denial that follows a profound shock. Jeremy was then unable to accept that the murders had occurred and spoke as though his family were still alive: exactly as I did when my mother died suddenly. He vomited too.

As his brain pulled him deeper into denial, Jeremy began behaving as though nothing had happened. He appeared to be uncaring and callous, more concerned about the harvest and finding a farm worker to help with this in his absence than he was about the tragedy. He went home and ate a large breakfast.

This is just as I behaved after my mother's death. I sat down on the floor next to her body and drank a cup of tea, I felt quite callously indifferent to her death and couldn't cry, which did puzzle me. Then I realised that she wasn't dead at all as she was still breathing and looked as though she was reviving. I refused to accept the Coroner's Assistant's advice that this denial was symptomatic of shock and returned to my office after my mother was taken to the undertakers, resuming work as though nothing had happened. That evening I ate a huge meal and went out drinking.

[chochokeira]

Abs and Andrea have described similar, apparently indifferent reactions to the loss of their loved ones. Throwing us into such shock and denial is the well documented manner with which the brain protects us from the initial, unbearable pain of bereavement.