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Offline smiffy

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Sheila dragged claims 2002 appeal.
« on: August 11, 2011, 12:48:PM »
Some discussion near the end of the 2002 appeal makes reference to claims of evidence (not used at trial) from the prosecution that Sheila was dragged by her legs into position.
This being mainly based on the rear of her nightdress having riden up by friction as she was dragged.
This dragging being done by one person .

However a quick look at the pictures available show this cannot be the case.
We would expect the rug she was "dragged" onto to have moved or become ruffled up in the process of dragging.
We should also expect a blood trail from where she was shot to where her body is shown in the photographs...there is none.

However the real give away that Sheila was not dragged is the placement of her hair on the ground.
If dragged her hair would lay appropriately from the dragging. This is not the case at all. Her hair sits either side of one of the bedside cabinet legs so is not conversant with dragging at all.

The only conclusions are that she fell or was placed there after being carried. The" fell there "is ruled out by the nightdress riding up her back so the only conclusion left is that she was carried and placed into position. It is most likely that this was carried out by 2 or more persons.

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Re: Sheila dragged claims 2002 appeal.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 12:50:PM »
Some discussion near the end of the 2002 appeal makes reference to claims of evidence (not used at trial) from the prosecution that Sheila was dragged by her legs into position.
This being mainly based on the rear of her nightdress having riden up by friction as she was dragged.
This dragging being done by one person .

However a quick look at the pictures available show this cannot be the case.
We would expect the rug she was "dragged" onto to have moved or become ruffled up in the process of dragging.
We should also expect a blood trail from where she was shot to where her body is shown in the photographs...there is none.

However the real give away that Sheila was not dragged is the placement of her hair on the ground.
If dragged her hair would lay appropriately from the dragging. This is not the case at all. Her hair sits either side of one of the bedside cabinet legs so is not conversant with dragging at all.

The only conclusions are that she fell or was placed there after being carried. The" fell there "is ruled out by the nightdress riding up her back so the only conclusion left is that she was carried and placed into position. It is most likely that this was carried out by 2 or more persons.
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I agree with this...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Sheila dragged claims 2002 appeal.
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 01:17:PM »
Part of this discussion from the 2002 appeal dragging claim involves the nightdress riding up and that thus the killer pulled the front of the nightdress down in arranging Sheila's body.

The dragging claim is clearly false..but it may well be that someone did pull the front of the nightdress down... a person carrying her on their own or  2 or more people carrying her very likely would create a need to pull the nightdress down at the front a bit for it to appear as it did in the photographs.
However a single person doing this will likely get blood in his fingers from carrying the body and blood on his other clothes too.
There would be less chance of blood ending up on 2 or more people carrying and placing the body together.
There are no bloody finger marks on the front of the nightdress that correspond to it being pulled down by a person with bloody fingers.

there are bloody finger marks on the bible...but this being handled after her nightdress was arranged may be an explanation for that...or someone needs to bring in a handwashing explanation or another person arranging the front of the nightdress.

The expert (prosecution ) putting forward the dragging claim also is of the view that the bloodstain pattern revealed by the police moving Sheila's hand is a right hand palm print.

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Re: Sheila dragged claims 2002 appeal.
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2011, 10:50:PM »
If we think a little further on the silly notion that Sheila was dragged by her feet (the judges showing they are incredibly thick or just more bent than a nine bob note)...then it raises the question about what happened to he arms at this stage.
There were blood trails on them...so if placed over her body when dragged then there should be smearing on these trails and stains from them on her nightdress...there is none that fit.

If dragged with her arms trailing we should expect the trails to get smeared a lot in the appropriate places and a trail on the carpet.....there is none.

So she had to have been carried and placed.
The location of her body with the bed to the left means if a single person carried her that person would be to her right side and exposed to the blood from her right side /armpit area...
A person doing that would have certainly became bloodstained from doing such an act.
Two or more persons placing her body would be able to avoid quite a lot of contact.
when carried her arms could have been allowed to dangle downwards ..hence no staining of the front of the nightdress.

If carried by a single person with her right arms dangling ..that arm would contact the person carrying her leading to smearing of the blood on her arm and contamination of that person.

In my view she was carried and placed by 2 or more people so that very much means it was not JB that stage managed the scene.

maybe the police officers involved would like to tell us why they did it and on whose instructions!