CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.

[Curiosity]

In fairness I suppose he may have took Brambles for a walk on the fields behind on occasions.

And it probably got tangled up in them, hence the dog's moniker.

[Jane]

Its on the news again Steve, 11% of homicides are carried out by the mentally ill!
A young boy was ran over by a schizophreniac in Essex!

Crimes involving the mentally ill always make headlines but we're never told if they're taking medication!

[ILB]

There is still a stigma around mens mental health that has never really been able to vanish. It's why many men just carry on till they breakdown completely.

[Jane]

There is still a stigma around mens mental health that has never really been able to vanish. It's why many men just carry on till they breakdown completely.

Plus men seem less willing, than women, who usually have good support networks, to share problems.

[ILB]

Plus men seem less willing, than women, who usually have good support networks, to share problems.

I totally agree.

I must admit as a man I would find it more easier and natural to support and be sympathetic with a woman with mental health issues. Than I would be a man. I think it's down to my upbringing.

When I was growing up mens mental health was almost none existent. Anyone who showed any behaviour what would be considered out of the norm would just be labelled a " crackpot" " radged " " not a full shilling"

[Jane]

I totally agree.

I must admit as a man I would find it more easier and natural to support and be sympathetic with a woman with mental health issues. Than I would be a man. I think it's down to my upbringing.

When I was growing up mens mental health was almost none existent. Anyone who showed any behaviour what would be considered out of the norm would just be labelled a " crackpot" " radged " " not a full shilling"

Mmm. There's more than a hint, in what you say, of the fear of being seen as weak and needing to keep a stiff upper lip. This goes back generations and is hard for some to shrug off.

My partner's grandsons, both farmers, have joined a group who talk to farmers, many of whom spend much of their time in isolation with their concerns going round and round in their heads getting bigger and potentially, out of control. Often, they're carrying guns..............

[ILB]

Mmm. There's more than a hint, in what you say, of the fear of being seen as weak and needing to keep a stiff upper lip. This goes back generations and is hard for some to shrug off.

My partner's grandsons, both farmers, have joined a group who talk to farmers, many of whom spend much of their time in isolation with their concerns going round and round in their heads getting bigger and potentially, out of control. Often, they're carrying guns..............

Yes there is a similar thing called Andys man club. What encourages guys to meet and chat.

[snow66!]

Mens sheds!

[Adam]

Fish Street is 100 metres to the right of the front door of 9, Head Street.

It is 100 metres to the left of the back garden of 9, Head Street.

The pathway at the back of the garden RB refers to, will run along the edge of the field

[Adam]

The entrance to the Sea Wall is at the end of Fish Street.

So he would have to cycle past a lot of properties on Head & Fish Street to get there.

With no street lighting at 2am on a silent bike, he may have done that.

I would have gained access to the Sea Wall entrance via the back garden and adjoining field/pathway.

[Adam]

Thistley Close was not on Fish Street in 1985.

So he could turn off the field/pathway directly opposite the Sea Wall entrance.

[ILB]

Seems Adam would go over five fields at 2am to get to the Sea Wall.

Obviously Wilkinson went on the road to access it.

35 minutes a round trip of a hour and ten.

[ILB]

If he was motivated and confident it's likely he's just bombed over to whf in the astra parked on Pages lane and walked down.

As long as he walks down pages lane he's sound as he won't disturb the neighbouring properties.

The properties on the way there will not hear his car.

May have actually just drove down all the way to the farm. Depends on how he felt.

Or parked up the road as said and just sauntered.

[ILB]

End of the day there's a chance of him getting clocked any route he takes.

There's a chance nevill would overpower him

There's a chance the massacre could have gone wrong.

It's called taking a gamble. And this is a very big one. Committing x5 murder and risking a possible life sentence

[Adam]

Seems Adam would go over five fields at 2am to get to the Sea Wall.

Obviously Wilkinson went on the road to access it.

35 minutes a round trip of a hour and ten.

Please don't say 5 fields. A 100 metres does not equate to 5 fields.

If you believe he drove & did not use the footpath at the back of his garden RB mentioned, that is fine.