Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Hardy Boy]

Most of the statements we have here are typed and unsigned.  We do not know the format/structure of the statement giving/taking.  We know from AE's stat that AP raised the issue of the rifle, sights and silencer upon arriving at Oak Farm circa 11am on 8th Aug.  We know AP phoned Witham about this very subject and spoke with DCI Jones.  We do not know whether DCI Jones then instructed DC Clark at Bourtree to take a further statement from JB or whether JB coincidentally asked to clarify.  It makes sense it was the former.  It matters not.  There's plenty of evidence the subject of the silencer was raised at the latest early on 8th Aug which gave all those who suspected JB from the off the opportunity to consider how incriminating it could be for him if it was used to connect him with soc. 

This is what a witness statement looks like that stands up to scrutiny in terms of date/time/structure/objectives/etc:

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

I cannot read it Cutie, could you explain what it say's?

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CR4/cr4_1.jpg

[Cambridgecutie]

I cannot read it Cutie, could you explain what it say's?

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CR4/cr4_1.jpg

Try this:

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

[Hardy Boy]

I disagree. 

1.  He is not impartial
2.  He surrounds himself with cranks who fill his head with rubbish
3.  I attempted to discuss the case with him and found him clueless
4.  He has been a cat A prisoner for the best part of the last 40 years and lives in the dark ages. 
5.  He does not have access to information that you and I have at the touch of a button
6.  He is wedded to his fading, yellowing and dusty case paper believing, wrongly imo, that he will eventually find a smoking gun

It seems he's got you weighed up Cutie, he must be pretty smart so give him some credit, have you thought of using a different name to contact him, you know, try to fool him a bit?

[Hardy Boy]

Try this:

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

So are you saying we should follow Portuguise Law on how they do their statements?

This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

[Cambridgecutie]

It seems he's got you weighed up Cutie, he must be pretty smart so give him some credit, have you thought of using a different name to contact him, you know try to fool him a bit?

Sorry I don't understand. 

[Cambridgecutie]

So are you saying we should follow Portuguise Law on how they do their statements?

This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

Are we looking at the same statement?  The one I uploaded was in connection with the disapperance of MM but it was a UK based witness interviewed by an officer from Leicester at a police station in Leicester.  As you will see its watertight as might be expected given the digital age.  Obviously at the time of Bamber's case it was all sloppy paperwork which often provides more questions than answers.

[Hardy Boy]

Are we looking at the same statement?  The one I uploaded was in connection with the disapperance of MM but it was a UK based witness interviewed by an officer from Leicester at a police station in Leicester.  As you will see its watertight as might be expected given the digital age.  Obviously at the time of Bamber's case it was all sloppy paperwork which often provides more questions than answers.

I clicked on the link and it say's this on the page i open at the top, i see what you mean now.........................This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

If you click on the white sheet within the statement, that's what i thought what you meant, but it's in Portuguise.

[ILB]

Yes, some years ago now though.

Still does it by all accounts, must be built like a tank now!

[snow66!]

He absolutely does not know the case inside out.  How can he when he has been a cat A prisoner for nearly 40 years?  If he did know the case inside out why does he put out rubbish in the media and worse still submit it to the CCRC:

- NB called EP
- 999 call was made from WHF
- Someone in WHF was in communication with EP
- SC was observed in the kitchen
- Police shot SC
- WHF was used as a training exercise
- Bullets swapped
- Just about everyone lied
- More than one silencer
- Claims he had an alibi
- I could go on and with absolute rubbish

Aga burns?
No need to answer, you made it clear you think they are old wounds Cutie!
BUT! Are they??

[David1819]

This quote i put was from Cutie by the way

Seems Detective SpecialBrew has had her accounts merged together again.

[Cambridgecutie]

I clicked on the link and it say's this on the page i open at the top, i see what you mean now.........................This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

If you click on the white sheet within the statement, that's what i thought what you meant, but it's in Portuguise.

No its all in English?  Have you found it?

[Cambridgecutie]

Aga burns?
No need to answer, you made it clear you think they are old wounds Cutie!
BUT! Are they??

I am not saying they are old wounds.  Its just a possibility.  Both pathologists at trial concluded they were uncertain what the marks were and when they were sustained.  Prof Knight for the defence was adamant they were not burns.  It matters not they will never assist JB overturn his conviction as they do not meet Section 23 CPS/appeals criteria. 

[Hardy Boy]

No its all in English?  Have you found it?

Yes thanks Cutie, i just scrolled down the page and followed it, if you open the link it's got a white sheet at the top, i thought that was the Interview.  Click on the sheet in the top Paragraph and it brings up a load of sheets, and if you click on the first sheet it's in another language.  My fault, sorry.

[Cambridgecutie]

Seems Detective SpecialBrew has had her accounts merged together again.

I hope not as KE and CC were not one and the same.  No more than Munska and Curiosity are. 

There's a pattern with you David of harassing middle aged women:  AE, Caroline/Zoso, Jane and myself.  This says way more about you than us!

Talking of Special Brew I will be off to a beer festival shortly.  Cheers.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes thanks Cutie, i just scrolled down the page and followed it, if you open the link it's got a white sheet at the top, i thought that was the Interview.  Click on the sheet in the top Paragraph and it brings up a load of sheets, and if you click on the first sheet it's in another language.  My fault, sorry.

That's good.  See what I mean though re it being watertight and unambigious compared to the wit stats we have here which I am sure were par for the course in the 80's.