Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Cambridgecutie]

But there is something in Bamber's second statement (made on 8th August) that indicated he wanted to make the statement, rather than being asked to do so. However, you 'choose' to ignore that - you're inconsistent. It seems to be one rule for you and one for everyone else as and when it suits you - I guess that's a privilege of being in the A team? 

Whether one believes JB guilty or not under what circumstances would he initiate a WS? 

AE's wit stat:  On Thu 8th Aug  @ approx 11am AP arrived at AE's.  AP immediately raised the subject of the firearms, silencer and scope.  He was apparently so "perturbed" he phoned Witham and spoke with DCI Jones.  AP and AE then went to Bourtree.  According to AE the police were asking JB further questions and taking notes.  Nothing about JB asking to make a further statement. 

Bottom line is that the relatives raised the subject of the silencer very early on.  DS Jones would quickly seize on how it could connect JB to soc and implicate him. 

Much was made of the silencer:

- When AP visited on 27/28 Jul he claims he saw the silencer (and sights) attached to rifle
- JB claims he went bunny shooting on 6th Aug circa 9pm
- Some 9 days after AP's visit, and a few hours after JB uses the rifle for a purpose where sound and accuracy play a part, the rifle is found on SC's body sans sights and silencer
- AP immediately seizes on the above and advises the relatives and EP on 8th Aug if not earlier

I believe DS Jones and AP were alone at Bourtree on 8th Aug. 

[Cambridgecutie]

This quote i put was from Cutie by the way

No it is not.  Why are you attempting, albeit poorly, to deceive?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12325msg570659.html#msg570659

[Cambridgecutie]

This quote i put was from Cutie by the way

No it is not.  It was a post you made yesterday at 12.57pm. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Absolutely! Pretty arrogant to suggest his input isn't important.

I disagree. 

1.  He is not impartial
2.  He surrounds himself with cranks who fill his head with rubbish
3.  I attempted to discuss the case with him and found him clueless
4.  He has been a cat A prisoner for the best part of the last 40 years and lives in the dark ages. 
5.  He does not have access to information that you and I have at the touch of a button
6.  He is wedded to his fading, yellowing and dusty case paper believing, wrongly imo, that he will eventually find a smoking gun

[Cambridgecutie]

Maybe you should be concerned with what Bamber says, because for every 'expert' who claims one thing, there will be another who claims the opposite. I guess that's why you try and rubbish the experts who claim guilt.

I have very little interest in what Bamber has to say in relation to his case.  I like to think I listen very carefully to what the experts have to say.  I am sceptical about the FSS for good reason.  Parliament is aware of high profile quality failings at the FSS during the 80's:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm

The FSS was subsequently closed down.

The forensic scientist charged with perverting the course of justice over the Stefan Kiszko case went on to head up FSS Huntingdon at a time when the Bamber exhibits were under examination. 

I know for a fact much of the evidence from the FSS presented at trial is wrong. 

[snow66!]

I disagree. 

1.  He is not impartial
2.  He surrounds himself with cranks who fill his head with rubbish
3.  I attempted to discuss the case with him and found him clueless
4.  He has been a cat A prisoner for the best part of the last 40 years and lives in the dark ages. 
5.  He does not have access to information that you and I have at the touch of a button
6.  He is wedded to his fading, yellowing and dusty case paper believing, wrongly imo, that he will eventually find a smoking gun

That sounds kinda sad Cutie!

[Jane]

That sounds kinda sad Cutie!

 


Irrelevant of which side you're on, guilty or innocent, it's his own damned fault he's in there. It wasn't just evidence which convicted him, it was his own arrogance, ie "That is for you to establish"! He might just as well have stuck his fingers up. It amounts to the same thing. A little humility goes a long way.

[snow66!]

 


Irrelevant of which side you're on, guilty or innocent, it's his own damned fault he's in there. It wasn't just evidence which convicted him, it was his own arrogance, ie "That is for you to establish"! He might just as well have stuck his fingers up. It amounts to the same thing. A little humility goes a long way.

Who knows what any of us would say standing in the dock Jane!
Your mind would be all over the place!
Maybe JB was just saying, show me the evidence!

[Jane]

Who knows what any of us would say standing in the dock Jane!
Your mind would be all over the place!
Maybe JB was just saying, show me the evidence!

His behaviours suggest he believed he was untouchable.

[Curiosity]

That sounds kinda sad Cutie!

Looking on the positive side though:

With two massive heating pipes in his cell, he won't freeze to death in winter like poor pensioners, and it's only a cock-stride to the loo should he get caught short in the middle of the night -

[Roch]

Looking on the positive side though:

With two massive heating pipes in his cell, he won't freeze to death in winter like poor pensioners, and it's only a cock-stride to the loo should he get caught short in the middle of the night -

Is that a Newcastle fan's cell? Should never be allowed out. Life means life.

[David1819]

This quote i put was from Cutie by the way

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11355.msg525811.html#msg525811

lol

[Zoso]

Whether one believes JB guilty or not under what circumstances would he initiate a WS? 

AE's wit stat:  On Thu 8th Aug  @ approx 11am AP arrived at AE's.  AP immediately raised the subject of the firearms, silencer and scope.  He was apparently so "perturbed" he phoned Witham and spoke with DCI Jones.  AP and AE then went to Bourtree.  According to AE the police were asking JB further questions and taking notes.  Nothing about JB asking to make a further statement. 

Bottom line is that the relatives raised the subject of the silencer very early on.  DS Jones would quickly seize on how it could connect JB to soc and implicate him. 

Much was made of the silencer:

- When AP visited on 27/28 Jul he claims he saw the silencer (and sights) attached to rifle
- JB claims he went bunny shooting on 6th Aug circa 9pm
- Some 9 days after AP's visit, and a few hours after JB uses the rifle for a purpose where sound and accuracy play a part, the rifle is found on SC's body sans sights and silencer
- AP immediately seizes on the above and advises the relatives and EP on 8th Aug if not earlier

I believe DS Jones and AP were alone at Bourtree on 8th Aug.

Under what circumstances? It's pretty obvious if you read the statement. But that is by the by - he actually states he wanted to clarify, not that he'd been asked to. You're all for other people paying attention to detail but for you, it's not an issue - if it doesn't fit, it doesn't matter!

[Zoso]

I disagree.

1.  He is not impartial
2.  He surrounds himself with cranks who fill his head with rubbish
3.  I attempted to discuss the case with him and found him clueless
4.  He has been a cat A prisoner for the best part of the last 40 years and lives in the dark ages. 
5.  He does not have access to information that you and I have at the touch of a button
6.  He is wedded to his fading, yellowing and dusty case paper believing, wrongly imo, that he will eventually find a smoking gun

I don't care whether you agree or not.

You're not impartial
One man's crank is another mans 'A Team'
You found him clueless, probably because he wasn't agreeing with you or he just didn't want to discuss the case with you. I didn't find him clueless - far from it.
In what respect (that would affect the case), does he live in the dark ages?
He has a lot more information about his case that we have!
I'm not sure that Jeremy really believes he will ever get out but he has little else to keep himself amused. He knows this case inside and out, he's lived it for almost forty years, day in and day out. It's not just a hobby for him. I might think he's guilty but, I certainly do NOT underestimate him!

[Zoso]

I have very little interest in what Bamber has to say in relation to his case.  I like to think I listen very carefully to what the experts have to say.  I am sceptical about the FSS for good reason.  Parliament is aware of high profile quality failings at the FSS during the 80's:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm

The FSS was subsequently closed down.

The forensic scientist charged with perverting the course of justice over the Stefan Kiszko case went on to head up FSS Huntingdon at a time when the Bamber exhibits were under examination. 

I know for a fact much of the evidence from the FSS presented at trial is wrong.

You continually chuck the baby out with the bathwater!