Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[David1819]

Did he arrive on the 7th Dave?

Yes.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes.

No AP did not arrive on 7th.  AE spoke with him on the phone during 7th.  He arrived at Oak farm on 8th and stayed overnight at Oak Farm. 

[snow66!]

Yes.

Thanks Dave!

[snow66!]

No AP did not arrive on 7th.  AE spoke with him on the phone during 7th.  He arrived at Oak farm on 8th and stayed overnight at Oak Farm.

Thanks Cutie.
So who first brought up the fact that the rifle had sights and a silencer then? JB himself, just in general conversation during his interview?

[Zoso]

You have the same material as me to read, if you read Anne’s statements, she say’s on the 7th of August he was asked about the sights and silencer for the rifle, whether it was a question to see if it had sights and silencer  or it was a question raised at first and he replied and said they had to be removed to fit in the gun cupboard?  So this was asked before any input from the family because he was asked this on the 7th .  I don’t think it was Stan who asked the question, I think it was Clark?  Taff asked him about the sights and silencer on the evening of the 9th.

David B mentions in one of his statements that Bamber was asked about the sights and silencer back at WHF at his first interview.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,774.msg20379.html#msg20379

[Adam]

David B mentions in one of his statements that Bamber was asked about the sights and silencer back at WHF at his first interview.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,774.msg20379.html#msg20379

That is no surprise.

The rifle would have sights and silencer on virtually all the time. It was used for shooting rabbits.

So a surprise the sights were not on the murder weapon & silencer was not next to Sheila.

The blood and paint were from back spatter & wrestling for the rifle.

[Hardy Boy]

David B mentions in one of his statements that Bamber was asked about the sights and silencer back at WHF at his first interview.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,774.msg20379.html#msg20379

I don't know what is hard for people to understand, it's there for everyone to see,  questions were first asked about the sights and silencer by the POLICE on the day of the murders on the 7th, it's backed up by two witnesses.  He would have been asked about these because he told the Police he had loaded the rifle to go shoot Bunnies,  yet the rifle had been found without sights and silencer.  He then makes another statement on the 8th to say the sights and silencer wasn't on the rifle.  Ann would have told the rest of the family what she heard and the fact the rifle was minus sights and silencer ETC.

It must have been of concern to Taff at the same tome, because this is one off the questions he wanted to ask Bamber when he went with Stan to interview him at 7.30 pm on the 9th.

[Hardy Boy]

Thanks Cutie.
So who first brought up the fact that the rifle had sights and a silencer then? JB himself, just in general conversation during his interview?

No he was asked this question by the POLICE, without any input from AP, AE, DB or any family member.  Why it wasn't put in his first statement i don't know, but it was added to his second statement on the 8th of August.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=774.0;attach=19460;image

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[Hardy Boy]

Yes.

As far as i am aware Stan had a conversation with AE  and AP on the 8th of August at Head Street? 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4985.0;attach=35033;image

[Cambridgecutie]

I don't know what is hard for people to understand, it's there for everyone to see,  questions were first asked about the sights and silencer by the POLICE on the day of the murders on the 7th, it's backed up by two witnesses.  He would have been asked about these because he told the Police he had loaded the rifle to go shoot Bunnies,  yet the rifle had been found without sights and silencer.  He then makes another statement on the 8th to say the sights and silencer wasn't on the rifle.  Ann would have told the rest of the family what she heard and the fact the rifle was minus sights and silencer ETC.

It must have been of concern to Taff at the same tome, because this is one off the questions he wanted to ask Bamber when he went with Stan to interview him at 7.30 pm on the 9th.

The relatives were first to raise the question about the sights and silencer.  There was no reason for the police to give the fact the rifle was found on SC sans sights and silencer a second thought because they were unaware of their existence. 

With the exception of AE the relatives did not make statements until September.  The statement AE made on 14th Aug does not even mention the finding of the silencer.

[Cambridgecutie]

No he was asked this question by the POLICE, without any input from AP, AE, DB or any family member.  Why it wasn't put in his first statement i don't know, but it was added to his second statement on the 8th of August.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=774.0;attach=19460;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=774.0;attach=19461;image

No it was not.  It was the RELATIVES.  AP phoned EP on 8th during the morning and that is how it first came to light that the rifle was found on SC sans sights and silencer.  EP then arranged for Bamber to complete his second statement during the evening on 8th in the evening.

Sheet 33 in the following:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

The relatives were all over the silencer from the earliest stage.  DS Jones had plenty of time to work out how incriminating the silencer could be for Bamber if he could connect it to the soc.

[Adam]

The relatives were first to raise the question about the sights and silencer.  There was no reason for the police to give the fact the rifle was found on SC sans sights and silencer a second thought because they were unaware of their existence. 

With the exception of AE the relatives did not make statements until September.  The statement AE made on 14th Aug does not even mention the finding of the silencer.

No surprise if the relatives were the first to ask.

They would know the rifle would have sights and silencer permanently attached. It was a rifle for shooting rabbits.

[Cambridgecutie]

As far as i am aware Stan had a conversation with AE  and AP on the 8th of August at Head Street? 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4985.0;attach=35033;image

With regard to the sights and silencer this was first brought to EP's attention by the relatives.  AP arrived at Oak Farm on the morning of 8th Aug and phoned Witham.  He spoke to DCI Jones.  Bamber was then asked to complete a statement regarding the sights and silencer during the evening of 8th Aug. 

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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

The above gave DS Jones plenty of time to work out how incriminating the silencer could be for Bamber if he could connect it to the soc which he did: external blood, paint and hair. 

[Adam]

With regard to the sights and silencer this was first brought to EP's attention by the relatives.  AP arrived at Oak Farm on the morning of 8th Aug and phoned Witham.  He spoke to DCI Jones.  Bamber was then asked to complete a statement regarding the sights and silencer during the evening of 8th Aug. 

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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

The above gave DS Jones plenty of time to work out how incriminating the silencer could be for Bamber if he could connect it to the soc which he did: external blood, paint and hair.

Is your narrative -

The relatives asked about the silencer.

SJ put his blood & the aga paint in the silencer.  Then put it back in the gun cupboard.

SJ gave the WHF keys to AE.

The relatives found the silencer and gave it back to SJ.

[Adam]

SJ would have also put the grey hair on the silencer.

Can't remember if it was SJ or the relatives who lost that.