Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Cambridgecutie]

I'm quite aware of what was possible during blood testing,  and yes i do find it amusing you accusing Stan of pricking his finger to inplant blood into a silencer as evidence.  He was called to collect the silencer from the family, he didn't think it was of any value to the police investigation until he was told that there was blood on it, he also noticed the red paint on it, this was before he took it back to Witham,  so the blood and paint must have been planted before the 10th when the family found the silencer, and your saying the blood inside the silencer and on the outside is Stan Jones?

I am not saying he pricked his finger.  I am saying he was forensically aware that small bloodstains would be incapable of being grouped.  Therefore any human blood would suffice.  All he needed to show was that a) it was blood and b) it was human. Obviously if he pricked his finger, job done.  No of course he did not contaminate the inside of the silencer.  How would he know SC's groups?  Surely you can see with your own eyes from the diagrams I have uploaded ( rifle and outside of silencer) what has happened?

[Cambridgecutie]

I will rephrase that, he was asked on the 7th about the silencer and Scope,

But Bamber did not initiate any conversation about the silencer and scope.  The point that I am attempting to make is that the relatives seized on the silencer and scope very early on.  DS Jones was aware of this fact.  He was able to see how incriminating it would be for Bamber if the silencer could be linked to the soc.

[Hardy Boy]

But Bamber did not initiate any conversation about the silencer and scope.  The point that I am attempting to make is that the relatives seized on the silencer and scope very early on.  DS Jones was aware of this fact.  He was able to see how incriminating it would be for Bamber if the silencer could be linked to the soc.

He put it in his 8th of August statement about the silencer because he had been asked about them on the 7th. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=18249;image

[ILB]

I am not saying he was incentivised.  It was simply a thought. 

BW did report PE to EP, post trial, for selling off a lot of WHF plant machinery and Bamber's car below market value for cash.  Of course this might have been simply convenient for seller and buyer, cash was king in the day, or to avoid paying tax.  Although I can't recall what the tax rules were in the day regarding farm plant/machinery.  Or it may have been he had a debt to settle that need repaying in cash!

In my view it must have been a significant cash lure or it just doesn't seem feasible

[snow66!]

He put it in his 8th of August statement about the silencer because he had been asked about them on the 7th. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=18249;image

Why didn't the police go to the farm and collect the sights and silencer once they knew of their existance, instead of waiting until the relatives handed them in HB?
This has always confused me!

[ILB]

He put it in his 8th of August statement about the silencer because he had been asked about them on the 7th. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=18249;image

I have seen this floating about.

Do we know for sure he volunteered a 2nd statement or did he and police and have a conversation off the record and then it was a mutual agreement a second statement was given?

[Hardy Boy]

Why didn't the police go to the farm and collect the sights and silencer once they knew of their existance, instead of waiting until the relatives handed them in HB?
This has always confused me!

Because they didn’t think it was linked to anything, they only questioned why it wasn’t on at this stage, they was gone with it being a murder suicide, they never looked in the Gun Cupboard properly and they even left ammunition and fire arms.  It wouldn’t happen today, but it was a very poor investigation Snow.

[Hardy Boy]

I have seen this floating about.

Do we know for sure he volunteered a 2nd statement or did he and police and have a conversation off the record and then it was a mutual agreement a second statement was given?

I don’t know for sure ILB, I think he was asked Questions after his statement on the 7th, he either thought later I wish I had put that in or he was asked Questions on the 8th and he wanted it to go to statement?  He was asked something very simple on the 7th, would Sheila see him loading the rifle, he made sure that was put in on the 8th of Aug statement that she would be able to see him loading the rifle but his Mum and Dad wouldn’t be able to see him?

[Cambridgecutie]

He put it in his 8th of August statement about the silencer because he had been asked about them on the 7th. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=18249;image

Yes because others, particularly AP, could not understand why the rifle was found on SC's body without scope and silencer.  Bamber did not initiate any conversations about the silencer/scope.  Why would he?  It was a very hot topic for the relatives from the off.  As a result DS Jones seized on how incriminating it could be for Bamber if the silencer could be connected to soc. 

[snow66!]

Because they didn’t think it was linked to anything, they only questioned why it wasn’t on at this stage, they was gone with it being a murder suicide, they never looked in the Gun Cupboard properly and they even left ammunition and fire arms.  It wouldn’t happen today, but it was a very poor investigation Snow.

How did the police know sights and a silencer existed in order to quiz Bamber about them  HB?

[Hardy Boy]

How did the police know sights and a silencer existed in order to quiz Bamber about them  HB?

You have the same material as me to read, if you read Anne’s statements, she say’s on the 7th of August he was asked about the sights and silencer for the rifle, whether it was a question to see if it had sights and silencer  or it was a question raised at first and he replied and said they had to be removed to fit in the gun cupboard?  So this was asked before any input from the family because he was asked this on the 7th .  I don’t think it was Stan who asked the question, I think it was Clark?  Taff asked him about the sights and silencer on the evening of the 9th. 

[snow66!]

You have the same material as me to read, if you read Anne’s statements, she say’s on the 7th of August he was asked about the sights and silencer for the rifle, whether it was a question to see if it had sights and silencer  or it was a question raised at first and he replied and said they had to be removed to fit in the gun cupboard?  So this was asked before any input from the family because he was asked this on the 7th .  I don’t think it was Stan who asked the question, I think it was Clark?  Taff asked him about the sights and silencer on the evening of the 9th.

I see HB.
So Bamber himself must have volunteered the info about the existence of sights and a silencer then?
Wonder how the interview got from leaving the rifle out to the fact it had sights and a silencer and didn't fit in the cupboard with them attached?

[David1819]

I see HB.
So Bamber himself must have volunteered the info about the existence of sights and a silencer then?
Wonder how the interview got from leaving the rifle out to the fact it had sights and a silencer and didn't fit in the cupboard with them attached?

It was Anthony Pargeter who first brought up the silencer and sights.

[snow66!]

It was Anthony Pargeter who first brought up the silencer and sights.

Did he arrive on the 7th Dave?

[ILB]

Did he arrive on the 7th Dave?

I think if memory recalls correctly he had spent the weekend at WHF in the late July.

He and Jeremy spending some time together. Having a shooting competition