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Offline BarefootDanC

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Truth serum
« on: August 22, 2024, 09:49:PM »
According to many Bamber supporters, this is a case where nearly everyone lied to frame Bamber, either because they had something to gain (Julie Mugford and the extended family) or because they were under pressure (although why would they police frame Bamber when they thought (or knew ?) it was Sheila and why would the expert witnesses come in on the conspiracy?).

Anyway, all these people lied at the trial, but for some reason on other occasions, such as the police enquiries (COLP etc) they were given "truth serum". For example, allegedly:

(1) the prosecution barristers told the defence barristers about the existence of a second sound moderator (although the defence didn't do anything about it at the time).
(2) DS Stan Jones talked about the "note" (the suicide note) at the 2002 Stokenhurst enquiry.
(3) ACC Simpson said in the press about a sound moderator recorded on the day of the killings but this not necessarily being suspicious.
(4) PC Milbank and others told Heidi Blake of the New York Times all the information the supporters need to know and information which they have been after for nearly 40 years.

Basically, the police blabbed enough on various occasions after the trial for his supporters to know exactly what happened (although they would still like to see other documents anyway so they can make their submission to the CCRC even longer).

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2024, 10:15:PM »
You have a good brain on you Dan!

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2024, 07:12:AM »

(1) the prosecution barristers told the defence barristers about the existence of a second sound moderator (although the defence didn't do anything about it at the time).
When did they do that, and how was it communicated?

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2024, 08:37:AM »
Basically, the police blabbed enough on various occasions after the trial for his supporters to know exactly what happened.
Sorry if this appears rude to Aunty, but that is a very silly thing to say. The police did not blab to anyone outside of the the immediate police circle and that ensured that nobody else knew what was divulged.

Certainly, ACC Simpson mentioned in a press conference that a silencer was found on 7 August and it was reported in the local press, but the Essex Police tape recording of the press conference is 'missing' the section where he discussed it and EP now deny that he said anything about the silencer.

The Stokenchurch enquiry was not made available to the CT until 2011 and Stan Jones would never have expected the public to know anything about what he discussed with the Met. Likewise with the high definition digital crime scene photographs, none of the police would have anticipated those becoming available to the CT.

Milbank has revealed some information nearly 40 years after the event, his excuse for remaining silent is that nobody asked him previously (which is not true).

So how does the CT get access to information that has either been deleted, withheld or kept secret?

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2024, 08:38:AM »
When did they do that, and how was it communicated?

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2020/1391.html

"53. For the reasons given at [20] the judge said there was no evidence that there was ever a second sound moderator and the suggestion that Mr Turner had been told the opposite by a member of the prosecution team was refuted by the three QCs who have appeared for the Crown at various stages. "

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2024, 09:07:AM »
I don't suppose Bill Robertson is trying to muddy the waters with the two-silencer issue, and confuse a jury thereby?

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2024, 09:09:AM »
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2020/1391.html

"53. For the reasons given at [20] the judge said there was no evidence that there was ever a second sound moderator and the suggestion that Mr Turner had been told the opposite by a member of the prosecution team was refuted by the three QCs who have appeared for the Crown at various stages. "

So according to the prosecution they didn't tell the defence about the existence of two silencers, which kind of refutes your original statement? and this was not until 2020? I think that you have to concede that there is no accuracy in what you said, "the prosecution barristers told the defence barristers about the existence of a second sound moderator". I'm only asking because I'm not aware of any time when the prosecution has admitted there was a second silencer.

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2024, 09:10:AM »
I don't suppose Bill Robertson is trying to muddy the waters with the two-silencer issue, and confuse a jury thereby?
What jury? is there going to be a retrial?

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2024, 09:39:AM »
What jury? is there going to be a retrial?
You know full well that there will be no retrial. I also suspect that a significant majority of the Bamberettes know he's guilty, and are looking in vain for some technicality to get him off. Their motives? I have no idea.

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2024, 11:14:AM »
You know full well that there will be no retrial. I also suspect that a significant majority of the Bamberettes know he's guilty, and are looking in vain for some technicality to get him off. Their motives? I have no idea.

I think you may have misinterpreted Bill's post Steve. It was in response to the suggestion a jury would be involved again. However I think that more than ever, there are two distinct camps, each one utterly convinced they are right.

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2024, 11:19:AM »
I think you may have misinterpreted Bill's post Steve. It was in response to the suggestion a jury would be involved again. However I think that more than ever, there are two distinct camps, each one utterly convinced they are right.


Is that supporters and detractors, or divides within the individual camps?

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2024, 11:23:AM »

Is that supporters and detractors, or divides within the individual camps?

Guilty v Innocent. Both camps convinced they are right.

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2024, 11:38:AM »
You know full well that there will be no retrial. I also suspect that a significant majority of the Bamberettes know he's guilty, and are looking in vain for some technicality to get him off. Their motives? I have no idea.

Current & former supporters obviously know Bamber is guilty. But have reasons to support.

Mike, ILB & Guest29835 have beefs with the police. He told Mike & ILB he is innocent.

Roch has a beef with the justice system.

NGB worked for Jeremy. So can't now say he believes him guilty.

Jeremy sent Lookout Xmas cards.

Jane didn't like Julie's court dress.

Caroline saw the CTSB doc and received letters from Jeremy.

David wants to be part of a purpose.

BuboBubo likes creating scenarios.

Bill likes writing articles.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2024, 12:27:PM »
Current & former supporters obviously know Bamber is guilty. But have reasons to support.

Mike, ILB & Guest29835 have beefs with the police. He told Mike & ILB he is innocent.

Roch has a beef with the justice system.

NGB worked for Jeremy. So can't now say he believes him guilty.

Jeremy sent Lookout Xmas cards.

Jane didn't like Julie's court dress.

Caroline saw the CTSB doc and received letters from Jeremy.

David wants to be part of a purpose.

BuboBubo likes creating scenarios.

Bill likes writing articles.

You really are a wind up merchant.  I am not going to bother answering this rubbish.


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Re: Truth serum
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2024, 12:50:PM »
You really are a wind up merchant.  I am not going to bother answering this rubbish.
I dont think Adam wants an answer Ngb,its his idea of humour!
Quite amusing really,if you take it the right way!
Dont you think?