Truth serum

[Cambridgecutie]

I honestly don't care  . I think it's funny.

Me too   

Well the nights are drawing in so what better way to spend dark, cold evenings than here? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Not necessarily. If Jeremy was innocent, it is possible (remotely) that the blood was a mixture of Nevill and June's, and it was possible (fair to say remotely) that Sheila managed to overpower Nevill and shoot her whole family without getting any blood on her hands and feet, and without getting any bullet residue on her hands (or washing) etc .... If this is the case, the only person necessarily lying is Julie Mugford.

How would NB's blood have entered the silencer when he did not even sustain any contact shots?  Its unlikely the draw back/back spatter phenomenon would occur with a small calibre firearm and subsonic ammo.  Attach a silencer and its even less likely.  NB did not even sustain any contact shots and this is part of the mechanism required for draw back to take place:  expanding gases from bullet entry force blood and tissue backwards into firearm. 

You have missed off the paint/scratches.

The state of Sheila's nightdress, hands and feet and overpowering NB can easily be explained from a defence perspective.

If you look at the part of the judge's summing up here you will see the blood weighed very heavily on the minds of jurors.

Had this crime have been committed in US it would never have seen the inside of a court because the expertise and lay knowledge of firearms is a world away compared to the UK.  More so back in the 80's.

[BarefootDanC]

I agree that the sound moderator evidence heavily influenced the jury's decision.

They also asked Bamber why Robert Boutflour would have lied about Bamber talking about killing his parents, and to that question Bamber gave a vague and unconvincing response.

[David1819]

Holly has always been a supporter pretending to be a guilter. Holding back on certain issues.

An attempted disguise of who she was which David spotted instantly.

Is now trying to create theories to sneek her way into being a supporter. They don't come any bigger than accusing SJ of putting hair, blood and paint into the silencer.

And then undermining the chain of custody of his own frame up by concocting a story whereby the blood, paint and silencer was discovered by three members of public and getting them all to go along with it at trial. 

[Zoso]

I just wanted to see what it is like on the other side.  Its much easier to argue from a prosecution perspective as its 'official' and you don't need to justify your position.

Not quite instantly.  And I made the mistake of telling Roch in a pm.  He undoubtedly told others.  But Munska and KE are defintely nothing to do with me. 

Whoa!  No definitely not inside.  Outside only.

Ha, ha! You made the same mistake Bamber did - you told someone! Schoolgirl error, should have known better given the case you're interested in! 

No, I know Munska and defo not you.

[Roch]

And I made the mistake of telling Roch in a pm.  He undoubtedly told others.

I don't recall you telling me by PM or any other method. I knew you were playing a game.

[David1819]

I don't recall you telling me by PM or any other method. I knew you were playing a game.

Asif someone using a photo of themselves holding a mostly empty bottle of Cambridge dry gin with a big creepy grin on their face as their forum avatar would make things up and play games.

[David1819]

Better late than never. Has been a member for over 4 years.

I know the ulterior motives why supporters support Bamber. But never understood CC's reason for doing the opposite.

She has given conflicting explanations for why in PMs to other members on here. So its unlikely you'd ever get an honest answer.

[Adam]

She has given conflicting explanations for why in PMs to other members on here. So its unlikely you'd ever get an honest answer.

She either believed in what she was posting when posting as a guilter. So not sure how she still finds him innocent.

Or didn't believe in what she was posting.  In which case why post it?

A very strange 4 years.

[BarefootDanC]

She has given conflicting explanations for why in PMs to other members on here. So its unlikely you'd ever get an honest answer.

You could always give her some "truth serum" )

[ngb1066]

I dont think Adam wants an answer Ngb,its his idea of humour!
Quite amusing really,if you take it the right way!
Dont you think?

I agree it is amusing, but it is still very low grade posting. 

[ngb1066]

Many Bamber supporters are his achilles heel.  They move from one ill thought out conspiracy to the next.  With everyone from the Bamber's housekeeper to the Direction of Public Prosecutions conspiring to put away a numpty rural Essex farmer.  But if you believe the initial theory of murder/suicide was correct then it stands to reason there must have been some wrongdoing.  For me I believe DS Jones fabricated the silencer in terms of the blood on the outside, paint and hair.  He aslo put the frighteners on JM to secure her testimony.  DCI Ainsley, believing this evidence was legitimate, was then able to get the lab on board.  Much the same way the 4 teenage girls who lied in the Stefan Kiszko case were then able to get the lab on board via the officer in charge of the investigation, Richard Holland, and the forensic scientist, Ronald Outteridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

Snowball effect.

You do make some very good posts CC.  You have a knowledge of the science involved in the case which is probably better than anyone here.  You have researched it thoroughly.  I just think it is unfortunate that you have wound up some members.  I do understand the joke but I feel at times it has gone too far.

   

[Jane]

She either believed in what she was posting when posting as a guilter. So not sure how she still finds him innocent.

Or didn't believe in what she was posting.  In which case why post it?

A very strange 4 years.

It has been claimed that the person now being judged is accused of giving "conflicting explanations for why in PMs to other members here" There is irony in in the following claim that "it's unlikely you'd ever get an honest answer". One has to wonder how it may be possible for a member to know what PMs are being sent to other members and/or how may the integrity of the poster revealing such be trusted given the obvious 'history' they have. Might there be something here about a bruised ego? Might there be a warning here to posters to think twice about who they send PMs to?

This certainly isn't the first time the forum has been 'duped'. It's unlikely to be the last. It's standard practice where big egos congregate and they try to outdo each other. It's of no moment whether or not person A is telling the truth. They'll very likely be accused of lying if they are.

At the end of the day, I don't think this person's status as either detractor or supporter is important. Good posts will always be worth reading. It would be arrogant to believe that the contents of this forum will provide the means to JB's release, but it does provide an interest for its members on both sides of the argument.

[ngb1066]

It has been claimed that the person now being judged is accused of giving "conflicting explanations for why in PMs to other members here" There is irony in in the following claim that "it's unlikely you'd ever get an honest answer". One has to wonder how it may be possible for a member to know what PMs are being sent to other members and/or how may the integrity of the poster revealing such be trusted given the obvious 'history' they have. Might there be something here about a bruised ego? Might there be a warning here to posters to think twice about who they send PMs to?

This certainly isn't the first time the forum has been 'duped'. It's unlikely to be the last. It's standard practice where big egos congregate and they try to outdo each other. It's of no moment whether or not person A is telling the truth. They'll very likely be accused of lying if they are.

At the end of the day, I don't think this person's status as either detractor or supporter is important. Good posts will always be worth reading. It would be arrogant to believe that the contents of this forum will provide the means to JB's release, but it does provide an interest for its members on both sides of the argument.

What you say is true to an extent, but it has still upset some genuine people.  Even you were drawn in and expressed your strong support. Surely you are slightly annoyed by that?

[Jane]

What you say is true to an extent, but it has still upset some genuine people.  Even you were drawn in and expressed your strong support. Surely you are slightly annoyed by that?

Mmm. I was delighted to think she may have come to her senses, and I believe most people deserve a second chance, but as I've lived through/witnessed several reincarnations, it was a question of living with/enjoying this one whilst it lasted but waiting to see where it went!! Naturally, I'm sorry genuine people have been upset. It's always sad when trust gets misplaced.