Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?

[Adam]

Put it this way,  i don't think anyone would stop with their Boyfriend who is commited to murdering his family.  Julie was in on it for the spoils and nothing else and should have been put in jail because she knew what happened and covered up for him, until he ditched her.

I disagree that he ditched her. Her WS says she left him on the 27th August 1985 to return to London & her job. She then met him on the 4th & 6th September 1985 so they were still on speaking terms.

Her WS also says she tried to leave him earlier. But Bamber said he needed her.

Believe it is optimistic to expect Julie to jilt Bamber on the 7th August 1985. Then start speaking to the police on the same day.

She had to digest what she was being told by him & what was happening around her.

Bamber was still directing things, insinuating Sheila. The police and the relatives were giving him emotional support. Everyone accepting it was murder/suicide.

[Steve_uk]

What, it's understandable to cover up for your Boyfriend putting 5 and 3 bullets into the head of two little boy's and 8 into his Father 7 and 2 in to his mother and sister, who are the  UNDERSTANDABLE one's, or do you mean it's understandable because she's part of it and tried to cover herself?

She may not have been thinking straight, Hardy Boy. Remember blokes usually are wired differently from women and we may never be able to fully understand a woman in love. She said initially that she didn't want him to go to prison, she realized something was wrong with him when she confronted him that evening and at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath several days later. I agree it's all rather sordid, but had she been threatened to be roped in as an accessory one can just about understand how events transpired.

[Steve_uk]

I disagree that he ditched her. Her WS says she left him on the 27th August 1985 to return to London & her job. She then met him on the 4th & 6th September 1985 so they were still on speaking terms.

Her WS also says she tried to leave him earlier. But Bamber said he needed her.

Believe it is optimistic to expect Julie to jilt Bamber on the 7th August 1985. Then start speaking to the police on the same day.

She had to digest what she was being told by him & what was happening around her.

Bamber was still directing things, insinuating Sheila. The police and the relatives were giving him emotional support. Everyone accepting it was murder/suicide.

He may not have ditched her, but Jeremy was no longer her exclusive prerogative, if he ever had been, I think she felt used, cheated, and under those circumstances it's not entirely incomprehensible to think that love may have evaporated.

[ILB]

I disagree that he ditched her. Her WS says she left him on the 27th August 1985 to return to London & her job. She then met him on the 4th & 6th September 1985 so they were still on speaking terms.

Her WS also says she tried to leave him earlier. But Bamber said he needed her.

Believe it is optimistic to expect Julie to jilt Bamber on the 7th August 1985. Then start speaking to the police on the same day.

She had to digest what she was being told by him & what was happening around her.

Bamber was still directing things, insinuating Sheila. The police and the relatives were giving him emotional support. Everyone accepting it was murder/suicide.

The relatives especially AE were on his case from literally day one more or less.

Stan Jones didn't like him from the outset.

Taff was still stubborn with his murder suicide theory.

Accept it have come as a shock to Julie ( depends on how much you think her involvement was /but even without Bamber telling her she must have been able to put and two and two together

She was composed enough to volunteer to identify the twins.

She was composed enough to spend time in the vicinity of CC, enjoying his hospitality. Knowing all along that she had knowledge of Bamber killing this mans children.

She supported Bamber at the funeral.

[Adam]

The relatives especially AE were on his case from literally day one more or less.

Stan Jones didn't like him from the outset.

Taff was still stubborn with his murder suicide theory.

Accept it have come as a shock to Julie ( depends on how much you think her involvement was /but even without Bamber telling her she must have been able to put and two and two together

She was composed enough to volunteer to identify the twins.

She was composed enough to spend time in the vicinity of CC, enjoying his hospitality. Knowing all along that she had knowledge of Bamber killing this mans children.

She supported Bamber at the funeral.

Agree she would have put 2 & 2 together. He had rang her at 10pm & 3am.

So there was no point him saying he wasn't involved. But a good idea to give a proxy to her. 

[ILB]

Agree she would have put 2 & 2 together. He had rang her at 10pm & 3am.

So there was no point him saying he wasn't involved. But a good idea to give a proxy to her.

Well prior to the massacre from what Julie tells us Bamber was insinuating his plans from a lone killer -(himself ) basis.

Whether he then said MM, on a moral basis ( although to me organising a mass killing is still as bad as carrying it out) ( law wise it's still a multiple life sentence) to make it not look as bad, is anybodys guess.

I'm shocked Julie believed his MM story. For a starters Bamber told Julie according to her he had " been thinking all day on the tractor that tonight This crime had to be done " it's clear from this thay he made a snap on the spur decision. Secondly, when would he have time to contact MM? He was working all day, This is pre mobile phones, he's hardly going to have a conversation at WHF in the daytime organising a hitman!  did Julie really believe that he could just summon MM at gone 11pm on a midweek night to carry out a killing for £2000? It's ludicrous, she must have known Bamber was solely responsible.

[Adam]

Well prior to the massacre from what Julie tells us Bamber was insinuating his plans from a lone killer -(himself ) basis.

Whether he then said MM, on a moral basis ( although to me organising a mass killing is still as bad as carrying it out) ( law wise it's still a multiple life sentence) to make it not look as bad, is anybodys guess.

I'm shocked Julie believed his MM story. For a starters Bamber told Julie according to her he had " been thinking all day on the tractor that tonight This crime had to be done " it's clear from this thay he made a snap deciasion. Secondly, when would he have time to contact MM? He was working all day, This is pre mobile phones, he's hardly going to have a conversation at WHF in the daytime organising a hitman!  did Julie really believe that he could just summon MM at gone 11pm on a midweek night to carry out a killing for £2000? It's ludicrous, she must have known Bamber was solely responsible.

I doubt she believed the proxy story. Her WS says she knew he didn't have 2k.

She told the police the MM story as that is what he told her.

[ILB]

I doubt she believed the proxy story. Her WS says she knew he didn't have 2k.

She told the police the MM story as that is what he told her.

Well she told SB and others and EP the Matthew story.

She also states that she she kept saying to Bamber " £2000 for five lifes"

[ILB]

Did we ever know for certain how much Bamber had at his disposal in 1985?

In police interviews he says his account is between £1000 and a several thousand "

His custody report shows he had plenty of cash and numerous bank accounts in his property. But accept this is post massacre.

[Adam]

Well she told SB and others and EP the Matthew story.

She also states that she she kept saying to Bamber " £2000 for five lifes"

Will never know if she believed it.

He did speak about the massacre beforehand as if he was going to do it himself. Afterwards it was all about MM doing it.

She wouldn't believe it was MM after his alibi was confirmed.

[ILB]

Will never know if she believed it.

He did speak about the massacre beforehand as if he was going to do it himself. Afterwards it was all about MM doing it.

She wouldn't believe it was MM after his alibi was confirmed.

Have you ever believed that they were in league together in the sense of that she have happily kept quiet post events if Bamber had stayed faithful and lavished cash on her? Do you believe she encouraged Bamber despite her saying otherwise ?

Or do you believe Julie is totally innocent and another victim of Bamber? I know she played no part in the crime, as in trying to actively discourage him.

[Steve_uk]

Have you ever believed that they were in league together in the sense of that she have happily kept quiet post events if Bamber had stayed faithful and lavished cash on her?

Or do you believe Julie is totally innocent and another victim of Bamber

We will never know for sure. My own opinion is that a secret like that is too huge not to slip out some time thereafter.

[ILB]

We will never know for sure. My own opinion is that a secret like that is too huge not to slip out some time thereafter.

It's certainly in your best self interest ( julie) to keep quiet though of course.

[Adam]

Have you ever believed that they were in league together in the sense of that she have happily kept quiet post events if Bamber had stayed faithful and lavished cash on her? Do you believe she encouraged Bamber despite her saying otherwise ?

Or do you believe Julie is totally innocent and another victim of Bamber? I know she played no part in the crime, as in trying to actively discourage him.

A passive collaborator.

Told him she didn't like him speaking about it. Also didn't believe he would do anything.

But she also kept quiet, let him use her sleeping tablets & suggested he did not attempt to burn down WHF.

I don't think him spending loads of money on her would have stopped her going to the police. He was spending money on her and also trying to scare her. Didn't he also offer to buy her a wine bar?

[Steve_uk]

A passive collaborator.

Told him she didn't like him speaking about it. Also didn't believe he would do anything.

But she also kept quiet, let him use her sleeping tablets & suggested he did not attempt to burn down WHF.

I don't think him spending loads of money on her would have stopped her going to the police. He was spending money on her and also trying to scare her. Didn't he also offer to buy her a wine bar?

Yes, he offered to buy her a wine bar in a fashionable area of London, or at least for her to be the manageress, whilst he continued his dalliances away from her watchful gaze. Whether it was the Matthew McDonald story or her waiting wistfully for him one September afternoon on the doorstep of Moreshead Mansions, or simply Colin's ingenuousness that weekend, the truth began to hurt, and the woman who had the mind in time to come to write a Mathematics textbook, but not one to penetrate that of her lover of eighteen months and foresee the wickedness contained therein, slowly began to grasp the peril she faced. She had fallen in love with a murderer, been strung along like a gaping puppet, then discarded like trash, as his parents, his sister and the twins had been in their turn, along with their toys placed hurriedly in bin bags left out for Colin to collect, the only remnants of existence Daniel's macabre drawings and the sunflowers in the back yard, coming into bloom on the very day they were laid to rest in Highgate.