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Offline Adam

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« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2024, 12:09:AM »
Any 18 month relationship, both parties will talk about there own families. Whether it was a good or bad relationship.

They will meet each others families. As Julie & Bamber did.

So Bamber certainly spoke about his family to Julie. It is in her WS. There is no point him denying that 

He denies speaking about killing them.
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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2024, 12:12:AM »
Some interesting info here about call tracing - this was in the US though and was still slow to achieve, like ILB said, it was even slower to catch on here!https://www.quora.com/How-were-phone-calls-traced-during-the-60s-and-70s

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« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2024, 07:31:AM »
Neither here or there. Bamber denies murder.

Reference the caravan break in. Do you believe Julie enjoyed the spoils with no hesitation ?
She covered for him. She was infatuated with him. But the money remained with Jeremy and Julie kept her own career path quite distinct, irrespective of whether she enjoyed a night out or two at the Caribbean Cottage.

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« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2024, 08:13:AM »
That is because it would have taken time to trace the call and then deciding what was the best way to play it in the circumstances.

The relevant part of Jean Rowe's statement:


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« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2024, 08:28:AM »
Lots of people here did and argued that Bamber would NEVER do that - well, he did and denied it for years. Of course there will be excuses made for him but fact is he LIED.

Did he actually point blank deny itthough, or was he embarrassed to discuss it because of the inference what could be drawn from the escapade? Don't get me wrong it's shit behaviour on his behalf. Even if Brett spearheaded it , it wouldn't have been done without Jeremy's say so. It was his sister.

I can't see nothing in the cross examination transcripts, fielder wasn't called at trial.

Did he put on his website at some stage prior  " this is bollocks, I never did such a thing " " i never met fielder"

All that matters is what he prior said not his supporters.
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« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2024, 08:32:AM »
Seems David claims to have fallen out with Ann over money.

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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2024, 08:34:AM »
Surprised fielder wasn't called as a witness.

It's decent prosecution ammo to be honest. Certainly morals wise.
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« Reply #82 on: July 30, 2024, 08:46:AM »
Seems David claims to have fallen out with Ann over money.

Are you reffering to this?

"Ann’s brother, David Boutflour, was going in through a side gate, and he ushered me to a garden with pretty views of the surrounding fields. When I brought up Bamber’s case, he waved his hands dismissively. “Jeremy still keeps coming up with his fancy ideas of how he’s innocent and God knows what else,” he said. “We haven’t got any doubts about exactly who did it.” Yet his mood darkened when I mentioned Ann. “She’s a very ambitious lady,” he said. The family had been bitterly divided by competition over the estate, and David felt shortchanged. “She’s catching all the balls, and I’m not,” he said. “I have no love for my sister at all.”

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« Reply #83 on: July 30, 2024, 08:48:AM »
To be honest from his perspective now in his mid sixties it's a " shit or bust mindset" he himself says in the article he's terrified of dying in jail and by the sounds of it his health doesn't sound good. I think he knows this is probably the last crack of the whip. He sounds knackered. Innocent or gulity, he's only seven years off 70, As he gets older I don't think he will have the same energy and vigour he had over the years fighting the case. Especially if more health problems come about.
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« Reply #84 on: July 30, 2024, 08:49:AM »
Are you reffering to this?

"Ann’s brother, David Boutflour, was going in through a side gate, and he ushered me to a garden with pretty views of the surrounding fields. When I brought up Bamber’s case, he waved his hands dismissively. “Jeremy still keeps coming up with his fancy ideas of how he’s innocent and God knows what else,” he said. “We haven’t got any doubts about exactly who did it.” Yet his mood darkened when I mentioned Ann. “She’s a very ambitious lady,” he said. The family had been bitterly divided by competition over the estate, and David felt shortchanged. “She’s catching all the balls, and I’m not,” he said. “I have no love for my sister at all.”

Yes, seems they are not close at all.
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« Reply #85 on: July 30, 2024, 09:04:AM »
Yes, seems they are not close at all.


Ha! What have I been saying all these years?!!! I have yet to find a family in which money is involved -especially farming families!- where the siblings are in close harmony! Remember that sibling rivalry I've been banging on about? By the time it gets to the grandchildren, often the family is irrevocably split but no one can remember why, or which particular incident caused the rift.

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« Reply #86 on: July 30, 2024, 09:08:AM »
Did he actually point blank deny itthough, or was he embarrassed to discuss it because of the inference what could be drawn from the escapade? Don't get me wrong it's shit behaviour on his behalf. Even if Brett spearheaded it , it wouldn't have been done without Jeremy's say so. It was his sister.

I can't see nothing in the cross examination transcripts, fielder wasn't called at trial.

Did he put on his website at some stage prior  " this is bollocks, I never did such a thing " " i never met fielder"

All that matters is what he prior said not his supporters.
He didn't deny it. Peter Gruner of the Evening Standard corroborates. (CAL Chapter 37)

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« Reply #87 on: July 30, 2024, 09:26:AM »

Ha! What have I been saying all these years?!!! I have yet to find a family in which money is involved -especially farming families!- where the siblings are in close harmony! Remember that sibling rivalry I've been banging on about? By the time it gets to the grandchildren, often the family is irrevocably split but no one can remember why, or which particular incident caused the rift.
Jane, do you think it might be because Ann Eaton gained control of Osea Road as well as White House Farm, whereas David had to settle for Burnt Ash?

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« Reply #88 on: July 30, 2024, 09:33:AM »
Jane, do you think it might be because Ann Eaton gained control of Osea Road as well as White House Farm, whereas David had to settle for Burnt Ash?

Could be a number of reasons to be fair. May be something detrimental on the part of DB. Remember AE didn't put her version of events across.
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« Reply #89 on: July 30, 2024, 09:58:AM »
Any 18 month relationship, both parties will talk about there own families. Whether it was a good or bad relationship.

They will meet each others families. As Julie & Bamber did.

So Bamber certainly spoke about his family to Julie. It is in her WS. There is no point him denying that 

He denies speaking about killing them.
That's a good point. Very little mention in the New York article of the conversations Jeremy had with Julie and the escalations in manner of death his family would be subjected to.
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