Re: Julie Mugford Trial examination/cross examination

[Steve_uk]

Maybe there was a basket and she only used when required so it would not be stolen.
It is about time you stopped banging on about the bike there is no proof it was or was not used. It is a dead issue.
Personally I feel the arguments either way are stronger that it was not used. It was inherently dangerous to attempt such a ride as I have demonstrated and posted about many times. I lived in the area in the 1970's and am more qualified than you as to the wisdom of using such an approach even JB says it was a non starter and he lived there too.

He's hardly an impartial bystander.

[Adam]

Obviously Julie is not going to need a bike to visit the pub or service station on Church Street. This Street was 100 yards from 9, Head Street.

Julie will not cycle 5.2 miles to TD and back, as suggested by BuboBubo today.

There is now a suggestion Bamber brought the bike so Julie could cycle to a shop on Maldon Road. Although there was already a pub and service station at the end of Head Street. 

Where on Maldon Road this was is not clear.

[Bubo bubo]

He's hardly an impartial bystander.

Others have questioned the safety aspect as well. I was being facetious.

[Steve_uk]

Others have questioned the safety aspect as well. I was being facetious.

What about the bike being covered in yellow sulphurous mud when Ann Eaton saw it in Jeremy's back yard?

[Adam]

Maybe there was a basket and she only used when required so it would not be stolen.
It is about time you stopped banging on about the bike there is no proof it was or was not used. It is a dead issue.
Personally I feel the arguments either way are stronger that it was not used. It was inherently dangerous to attempt such a ride as I have demonstrated and posted about many times. I lived in the area in the 1970's and am more qualified than you as to the wisdom of using such an approach even JB says it was a non starter and he lived there too.

The proof is the bike arrived at his cottage 2 days before the massacre.

The successful prosecution case is he cycled. The defence did not dispute that this was possible.

No valid alternative reason has been given for the bike arriving.

[Bubo bubo]

Obviously Julie is not going to need a bike to visit the pub or service station on Church Street. This Street was 100 yards from 9, Head Street.

Julie will not cycle 5.2 miles to TD and back, as suggested by BuboBubo today.

There is now a suggestion Bamber brought the bike so Julie could cycle to a shop on Maldon Road. Although there was already a pub and service station at the end of Head Street. 

Where on Maldon Road this was is not clear.

More 'bollocks posting' . I have already answered these points. Shut the F--ck up you are being deliberately provocative and it is so obvious.

[Bubo bubo]

The proof is the bike arrived at his cottage 2 days before the massacre.

The successful prosecution case is he cycled. The defence did not dispute that this was possible.

No valid alternative reason has been given for the bike arriving.

Pure coincidence.

[Bubo bubo]

Another poster who did not read my posts on this or has a poor memory.


The mud samples

This is one of the most preposterous elements to the case. This area is heavily used by all manner of vehicles. Lorries shifting gravel in Goldhanger. Farm vehicles of all descriptions move from field to field carrying an assortment of produce and livestock. Tractors with all kinds of attachments move between the fields. All this traffic needs access to the local road network to move around and mud and soil is shed on the roads. You can add to this diggers working to lay drainage and other farm construction works like fencing together with Milk Tankers collecting from Dairy farms and silos and barns being filled. At harvest time there is more of this activity. The mud and soil can be everywhere mixed together in the fields and on the roads. I do not believe that there are any natural soil type boundaries in this area.
It would be impossible to make a coherent argument that a particular route was used because of soil type.

Remember I lived there and my car was often dirtied by the detritus on the local roads.

[Adam]

More 'bollocks posting' . I have already answered these points. Shut the F--ck up you are being deliberately provocative and it is so obvious.

You answered none of them.

Although did give a source that there was a shop somewhere on Maldon Road.

Maldon Road is several miles long so no progress made.

[Adam]

Pure coincidence.

Common sense he brought it over to cycle to WHF and back.

Too far to walk. Too risky to drive.

[Bubo bubo]

Common sense he brought it over to cycle to WHF and back.

Too far to walk. Too risky to drive.

Oh dear I think you need to see someone about your behaviour. It beggars belief the lack of intellectual grasp you have and the memory loss is disturbing. Read my posts. I have answered all the points you have ever made about the bike as have others. The fact is there was a post office and shop on the Maldon road and I have proved it. Where it was is irrelevant and given the length of this road as you point out all the more need for a bike for shopping. There is no obligation on my part to provide a grid reference as part of your game playing. Can I suggest you join a gaming website it may give you more satisfaction and we can continue to have a decent dialogue without your childish behaviour.

[Adam]

Oh dear I think you need to see someone about your behaviour. It beggars belief the lack of intellectual grasp you have and the memory loss is disturbing. Read my posts. I have answered all the points you have ever made about the bike as have others. The fact is there was a post office and shop on the Maldon road and I have proved it. Where it was is irrelevant and given the length of this road as you point out all the more need for a bike for shopping. There is no obligation on my part to provide a grid reference as part of your game playing. Can I suggest you join a gaming website it may give you more satisfaction and we can continue to have a decent dialogue without your childish behaviour.

Sorry the prosecution case that he cycled was successful.

Julie is not going to cycle miles to get a pint of milk. Espescially as there was a service station 100 yards away.

Even the CT agree as they have dismissed Bamber's court testimony.

[Bubo bubo]

Sorry the prosecution case that he cycled was successful.

Julie is not going to cycle miles to get a pint of milk. Espescially as there was a service station 100 yards away.

Even the CT agree as they have dismissed Bamber's court testimony.

It was part of the prosecution case but no one even you can say what weight it was given by the Jury in coming to their decision. The Judge said they could convict on the SM alone

How do you know the service station sold milk in 1985, this has only happened in more recent years. My memory was just a couple of pumps and a few car parts and cleaning materials.

[Steve_uk]

Another poster who did not read my posts on this or has a poor memory.


The mud samples

This is one of the most preposterous elements to the case. This area is heavily used by all manner of vehicles. Lorries shifting gravel in Goldhanger. Farm vehicles of all descriptions move from field to field carrying an assortment of produce and livestock. Tractors with all kinds of attachments move between the fields. All this traffic needs access to the local road network to move around and mud and soil is shed on the roads. You can add to this diggers working to lay drainage and other farm construction works like fencing together with Milk Tankers collecting from Dairy farms and silos and barns being filled. At harvest time there is more of this activity. The mud and soil can be everywhere mixed together in the fields and on the roads. I do not believe that there are any natural soil type boundaries in this area.
It would be impossible to make a coherent argument that a particular route was used because of soil type.

Remember I lived there and my car was often dirtied by the detritus on the local roads.

The point is whether June or Julie would have ridden the bicycle through such mud.

[Cambridgecutie]

Maybe there was a basket and she only used when required so it would not be stolen.
It is about time you stopped banging on about the bike there is no proof it was or was not used. It is a dead issue.
Personally I feel the arguments either way are stronger that it was not used. It was inherently dangerous to attempt such a ride as I have demonstrated and posted about many times. I lived in the area in the 1970's and am more qualified than you as to the wisdom of using such an approach even JB says it was a non starter and he lived there too.

I occasionally go out on my bike in the middle of the night to indulge in a bit of astrophotography.   And locally, the best way to get around is on a bike.

Riding around at night on byways and bridleways through the countryside is safe (relatively), easy and enjoyable.  Although I just shoot the stars rather than my entire family.  But each to their own. 

It would be easy to ride after midnight from GH to WHF.  And especially so in august, when it is warm and dry. 

As for lights, I use a single, cheap LED light on my bike, rather than the really expensive setups some people use.  In the 80's Bamber would have had horrible bulbs and rubbish batteries, but it's amazing how little light you need to negotiate footpaths, byways and bridleways. 

Honestly, cycling 3 something miles between GH and WHF at night is easy.   He would have been under stress, but as long as he took it steady and didn't go bombing it along at maximum speed along the footpaths, then he'd be fine.

It would be easy to use either roads or footpaths/bridleways/byways.

Of all the logistical problems associated with murdering your entire family 3 miles away from where you live,  getting there and back is not very high up on the list, in terms of difficulty. 

On another note...

Imagine being Julie Mugford, going out with Jeremy Bamber, a very superficial person, who loved to show off to his friends by flashing the cash, telling you he's got you something....and it's out on the driveway.   Oh, lovely, he's brought me a car....oh hang on, it's not a car, it's his mothers bike.  WTF?  And he tells me I can go and do the shopping on it.  WTF? Thanks Jeremy, you really know how to make a woman feel  loved. I feel so special now you've stolen your mothers bike so that I can use it to do the shopping.