Iranian Strike

[gringo]

"The Iranians are not going to kneel. The Iranians are not going to wave a white flag. The Iranians are not going to surrender," former head of Mossad Danny Yatom says on Israel's Channel 13.

https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1934969072262709672

[Steve_uk]

Just like the Nazis annexing Czechoslovakia and Poland to create a "greater Germany" for the master race with the "untermenschen" either displaced, murdered or subjugated.

Germany lost the war, and look what happened: https://theconversation.com/postwar-forced-resettlement-of-germans-echoes-through-the-decades-137219

This was the settlement the Palestinians should have taken: https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

They did not. They started a war and lost.

I'm not saying Palestinians should be expelled from Judea and Samaria, or from the Gaza Strip for that matter. But I find it hard to envisage a one-state solution following October 7, 2023.

[Steve_uk]

Trump is unhinged.  Open threats to assassinate the leader of another country?  This should be condemned publicly by all leaders of the so called "free world" who spout sanctimonious rubbish about the "rules based international order".  They will do nothing however.

The mad mullahs of Iran are on their way out; they've had a good run since 1979. As for Western leaders, they have been chosen by free and fair elections. When did anyone on the left ever criticize the elections in Russia and China? I've never heard anyone do so.

[gringo]

The mad mullahs of Iran are on their way out; they've had a good run since 1979. As for Western leaders, they have been chosen by free and fair elections. When did anyone on the left ever criticize the elections in Russia and China? I've never heard anyone do so.

    I'm sure it all makes sense to you, Steve.

[Roch]

Iran now sometimes attacking Israel during daylight?

[ngb1066]

Iran now sometimes attacking Israel during daylight?

Yes.  I am not sure how this is going to play out.  A lot depends upon the balance of power within the MAGA coalition.  We will know a lot more within a couple of days I suspect.

 

[Roch]

Yes.  I am not sure how this is going to play out.  A lot depends upon the balance of power within the MAGA coalition.  We will know a lot more within a couple of days I suspect.

 

I think both sides are doing very considerable damage to each other. And both sets of populations are likely to be very angry and bewildered. If this keeps up, it could be both governments that are at risk of overthrow.

Obviously if US wades in, I think Iran will fall, heroically. Their stand against Israel will become legendary.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes.  I am not sure how this is going to play out.  A lot depends upon the balance of power within the MAGA coalition.  We will know a lot more within a couple of days I suspect.

 

We will have to wait and see how it plays out among the various political groupings in the Middle East, Europe and the USA as well as the two protagonists. My own thinking at this stage is that Iran will seek negotiation. "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day" The leaders will want to hold on to power. Israel wants to draw in the USA to finish off the regime. 

[Roch]

We will have to wait and see how it plays out among the various political groupings in the Middle East, Europe and the USA as well as the two protagonists. My own thinking at this stage is that Iran will seek negotiation. "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day" The leaders will want to hold on to power. Israel wants to draw in the USA to finish off the regime.

The biggest problem with this is that Trump said "unconditional surrender". This must mean that Iran is taking an incredible pounding by Israel and its leaders can be taken out due to intelligence and precision munitions.  Trump now cannot be seen to lose face. He cannot back-track without looking extremely stupid. That's not going to happen.

I think they will take out Irans launchers and relevant sites. Once this happens, it's game over and Iran is a sitting duck for destruction from the air, because Israel can recover.

[ngb1066]

The biggest problem with this is that Trump said "unconditional surrender". This must mean that Iran is taking an incredible pounding by Israel and its leaders can be taken out due to intelligence and precision munitions.  Trump now cannot be seen to lose face. He cannot back-track without looking extremely stupid. That's not going to happen.

I think they will take out Irans launchers and relevant sites. Once this happens, it's game over and Iran is a sitting duck for destruction from the air, because Israel can recover.

I agree with most of your assessment but I am not sure Trump is completely free to do what he wants.  He has to retain the support of key members of his team and big cracks have appeared already.  In addition we dot yet know what support Russia and China may give Iran.  That could be a game changer. 

[Roch]

I agree with most of your assessment but I am not sure Trump is completely free to do what he wants.  He has to retain the support of key members of his team and big cracks have appeared already.  In addition we dot yet know what support Russia and China may give Iran.  That could be a game changer.

There is a site on Facebook called Iran Military. It has incredible footage of missile strikes on Israel.  Tel-a-Viv is taking a pounding.  It's not just at night, it's during the day.

[Steve_uk]

"The idea that Iran has actually driven the events which has led to this war is not even acknowledged.."

Now listen and learn: https://youtu.be/VdKr2Nla9KA

[ngb1066]

"The idea that Iran has actually driven the events which has led to this war is not even acknowledged.."

Now listen and learn: https://youtu.be/VdKr2Nla9KA

No thanks.  I have learned all I need to know from the rants of Melanie Phillips.

[Cambridgecutie]

Moral Maze - Was Israel right to launch strikes on Iran?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002dmnz

[Roch]

Is there any possibility that Trump is actually wanting to weaken Netenyahu? Maybe the real regime change he needs is at the Israeli end?