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Offline Roch

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #375 on: June 17, 2025, 09:38:AM »
Looks like Israel is getting bailed out ..

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« Reply #376 on: June 17, 2025, 09:48:AM »
Just like the Nazis annexing Czechoslovakia and Poland to create a "greater Germany" for the master race with the "untermenchen" either displaced, murdered or subjugated.

My observations exactly.  How any sane person can support this is mind-blowing. Sadly I have friends who have become indoctrinated and conditioned by racist anti-islamic views. It wouldn't stop them from going to Dubai for a holiday though.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #377 on: June 17, 2025, 10:04:AM »
Looks like Israel is getting bailed out ..

It does.  This is going to be very ugly.  Iran will not take it lying down.  Expect a crisis of the world economy, rising oil prices and massive migration.  The problem is that our government supports all this, despite some very mild criticisms of Israel.  Starmer and his gang really are dire.  He will go down in history as the worst Prime Minister we have ever had. 
 

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« Reply #378 on: June 17, 2025, 11:44:AM »
It does.  This is going to be very ugly.  Iran will not take it lying down.  Expect a crisis of the world economy, rising oil prices and massive migration.  The problem is that our government supports all this, despite some very mild criticisms of Israel.  Starmer and his gang really are dire.  He will go down in history as the worst Prime Minister we have ever had. 
 

The world's media keen to show any military / governmental damage in Iran. But not Israel. That's out of bounds apparently.

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« Reply #379 on: June 17, 2025, 12:12:PM »
The world's media keen to show any military / governmental damage in Iran. But not Israel. That's out of bounds apparently.

The double standards and hypocrisy continue.  The MSM seem to think we are all like Steve!


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« Reply #380 on: June 17, 2025, 02:15:PM »
Israel has killed Iran’s top military commander just four days after he was appointed to the position on Friday after Israel killed his predecessor in a military strike.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-iran-attacks-ali-shadmani-irans-top-commander-and-khameneis-close-aide-killed-in-israeli-strike-8688970

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #381 on: June 17, 2025, 03:40:PM »
lol  ;D

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #382 on: June 17, 2025, 04:15:PM »
I am afraid I am more pessimistic than you gringo. As you have noted the US are now clearly planning direct and massive intervention.  They would of course suffer big losses if they tried to conquer Iran as they did Iraq, but they could still smash Iran in my view unless other countries come to its support.  Although some support has been expressed by Russia, China and Pakistan I doubt if any are going to provide military assistance.  The Arab countries are frankly pathetic on this, Jordan in particular.  They are not going to give any support and virtually give a free hand to the USA.  Meanwhile the genocide in Gaza and moves to annex the West Bank continue, with limited media coverage.  I think Russia is much more concerned with Ukraine.  Putin wants the US to stand away from Europe and enable Russia to achieve its aims and is prepared to appease Trump over Israel in order to do that.  We have to remember that Russia is not the USSR.  If the USSR still existed the situation would be totally different.  There is also no way that China will get directly involved.

I think the situation is very grim, much to the satisfaction of characters like Steve.  However, I believe he will not be so happy in the longer term.
      You are probably correct, ngb, in terms of the US and Arab states, you are certainly correct. I do hold some expectation however that Russia/China will give assistance to Iran. The basis of this expectation is the importance of Iran to both China and Russia. It is a crucial part of BRI (Belt Road Initiative) and vital to the Multipolar world the Chinese/Russians have been assiduously building over the last decades. More importantly it is of massive strategic importance in terms of the security of both China and Russia. They cannot, for a number of reasons, see it fall. I see a role, much as NATO have played in Ukraine, where Russia and China will arm and assist Iran in ways similar to NATO's proxy. ISR assistance, endless flow of missiles etc. It is a golden opportunity for China/Russia to fight NATO behind plausible deniability, I expect them to take it. I also expect it is already well gamed by Russia/China/Iran. In fact, from China/Russia point of view it is a perfect trap, a scenario better than their wildest dreams. 
      NATO/Israel would never plan going to war in the way that this is unfolding. It isn't a plan or strategy, it is on the hoof desperation measures. NATO/Israel are ill prepared to take on this fight but understand that the military gap between them and Russia/China is tilting more against them with time. They are going now not because they are prepared and ready but because next month, next year they will be even less prepared than now.
      Last year sometime there was a summit with China/Russia, after which Putin and Xi said the world was about to see changes that hadn't been seen in centuries, or words to that effect. They have spent decades of time and billions in treasure strategically, economically and militarily preparing for these changes. I don't think that they will passively allow it all to be destroyed.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #383 on: June 17, 2025, 04:19:PM »
The world's media keen to show any military / governmental damage in Iran. But not Israel. That's out of bounds apparently.
    More of note, Roch, is that the Iranians aren't hiding and censoring the damage and death in their country. Israel must have more to hide

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #384 on: June 17, 2025, 05:44:PM »
Iran Military have posted "It has begun" about 1 hour ago.

Trump's statement on the Iranian leader is awful. Trump is proving to be a nutcase since he came to power. We are not far in this presidency but if he's this crazy so early on, the future doesn't bode well.

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« Reply #385 on: June 17, 2025, 06:54:PM »
Iran Military have posted "It has begun" about 1 hour ago.

Trump's statement on the Iranian leader is awful. Trump is proving to be a nutcase since he came to power. We are not far in this presidency but if he's this crazy so early on, the future doesn't bode well.

According to uamap he is demanding unconditional surrender.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #387 on: June 17, 2025, 07:58:PM »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-surrender-israel-threat-b2771759.html

Trump is unhinged.  Open threats to assassinate the leader of another country?  This should be condemned publicly by all leaders of the so called "free world" who spout sanctimonious rubbish about the "rules based international order".  They will do nothing however. 


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« Reply #388 on: June 17, 2025, 09:38:PM »
Trump is unhinged.

No need to state the obvious.  :))

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #389 on: June 17, 2025, 09:44:PM »
Trump is unhinged.  Open threats to assassinate the leader of another country?  This should be condemned publicly by all leaders of the so called "free world" who spout sanctimonious rubbish about the "rules based international order".  They will do nothing however.
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