CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber

[ILB]

Other people pay more attention to human angle. They heard Julie's testimony under cross-examination by a top QC and they believed her. After all, other people also testified that Jeremy talked about killing his family and would a "scorned woman" really lied on oath in a murder trial, just to get revenge on Jeremy?

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Juries are human. Juries have relationships. We have all had relationships with " the he says she says"

Fundamentally between Julie and Jeremy this is simply what it was although on a extreme scale. One of Justice drakes instructions was simply " do you believe Jeremy Bamber or do you believe Julie Mugford?

As much as I personally believe that Jeremy may be a miscarriage of justice. I have to balance the fact that a 21 year old girl went on the witness stand and gave convincing story. The defence couldn't touch her. But more importantly I do struggle to think that she would make it up just because she was hurt.

But to me the main question is, would a 21 year old girl do this to ruin a man's life just because he jilted her. This is what Jeremy alleges.

[Roch]

They didn't believe her.

[ILB]

They didn't believe her.

They did Roch.

Even with Rivlins attempt to bring up the chequebook offences got nowhere. I'm not saying she isn't a liar
 But it influenced the decision tenfold, it was damning to Jeremy.

[Cambridgecutie]

Some people pay more attention to things like science and probabilities, e.g. what is the probability that (a) suicide could be from two gun-shot wounds (b) fire 25 shots without any damage to long, well manicured nails (c) Nevill would call his son rather than the police, etc.

Other people pay more attention to human angle. They heard Julie's testimony under cross-examination by a top QCand they believed her. After all, other people also testified that Jeremy talked about killing his family and would a "scorned woman" really lied on oath in a murder trial, just to get revenge on Jeremy?

How would anyone know what weight jurors placed on her evidence?

If she lied how could anyone other than herself know the reason(s)?  I believe she was untruthful but not to get revenge rather to save her skin. 

Remember too JB nearly walked 10-2.

[Cambridgecutie]

They did Roch.

Even with Rivlins attempt to bring up the chequebook offences got nowhere. I'm not saying she isn't a liar
 But it influenced the decision tenfold, it was damning to Jeremy.

How do you know what weight jurors placed on her evidence?

[ILB]

Remember too JB nearly walked 10-2.

Ainsley claimed " two young female Jurors were crying" when he was found gulity.

The insinuation is there.

[BarefootDanC]

They didn't believe her.

I agree that they weren't convinced based on what she said alone.

The jury asked for the silencer evidence to be explained to them again.

[ILB]

How do you know what weight jurors placed on her evidence?

Common sense.

[BarefootDanC]

Ainsley claimed " two young female Jurors were crying" when he was found gulity.

The insinuation is there.

What we don't know is exactly why they were crying. Were they crying because they were very upset about 5 people being killed? Or did they believe Jeremy and were crying because they were outvoted?

[Cambridgecutie]

Ainsley claimed " two young female Jurors were crying" when he was found gulity.

The insinuation is there.

And yet this male journalist who attended some of the trial did not find her a reliable witness:

He had, she said, expressed deep hatred for his family and fantasised many plots to kill them. She said he also claimed to have found a way of leaving the house through two windows which he could leave apparently locked from the inside. Her evidence was controversial, punctuated frequently by tearful outbursts and upset to the point that Bamber's defence counsel, Geoffrey Rivlin QC, suggested it was almost impossible to cross-examine her. He did establish that she went to the police after Bamber had upset her by ending the relationship. Personally, I couldn't understand how she could be relied upon as a witness, but others, particularly women, thought the contradictions in her evidence made her more compelling.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/past-crimes-the-bamber-files-2046383.html

[Cambridgecutie]

What we don't know is exactly why they were crying. Were they crying because they were very upset about 5 people being killed? Or did they believe Jeremy and were crying because they were outvoted?

Do we even know for sure if they were crying?

[Cambridgecutie]

Common sense.

Totally disagree.

[Roch]

They did Roch.

Even with Rivlins attempt to bring up the chequebook offences got nowhere. I'm not saying she isn't a liar
 But it influenced the decision tenfold, it was damning to Jeremy.

According to CAL, one of the detective's was spoken with by the foreman of the jury, who told him that if it hadn't been for the judge's instruction, Bamber would have been acquitted. It was the judge's summing up which convicted JB.

[Cambridgecutie]

According to CAL, one of the detective's was spoken with by the foreman of the jury, who told him that if it hadn't been for the judge's instruction, Bamber would have been acquitted. It was the judge's summing up which convicted JB.

Barrister Patrick O'Connor in the Louis Theroux doc highlighted what in his opinion was an unfair summing up.

And it was the subject of JB's first appeal:

The application for leave to appeal 155. The appellant sought leave to appeal against his convictions on grounds drawn by those who represented him at trial. The grounds upon which leave was sought related to the judge's summing up, alleging (a) that he had inaccurately assessed significant aspects of the prosecution case and omitted to refer to crucial aspects of the defence case, and (b) that he had with persistence and strength expressed opinions adverse to the defence.

[BarefootDanC]

According to CAL, one of the detective's was spoken with by the foreman of the jury, who told him that if it hadn't been for the judge's instruction, Bamber would have been acquitted. It was the judge's summing up which convicted JB.

The judge did a good job.