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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2024, 09:35:AM »
You haven't seen the current submission, only a brief summary on the JBIC website; the submission is over a thousand pages in length. If you read the JB article on CCRC Watch you will see that the current Case Review Manager described the content as "mind-blowing". If that is the case, the odds must be heavily in favour of a referral to the CoA.
So what you worried about, if the content is mind blowing have pity for the CCRC having to go through all this documentation, you want a thorough review don't you?   Threre are other Prisoners with Applications who need the same Attention, not just Bamber.  Maybe you should have got your 70 wounds to the three adults in there as well, that would have sent them over the Edge.
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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2024, 09:37:AM »
He says 3 out of 10 submissions have been reviewed so far, but he hasn't said what the results are.

I am assuming that all 3 failed, because had they succeeded, Jeremy Bamber would be shouting it from the rooftops.

CCRC doesn't work that way. The three grounds examined to date may all have succeeded but the CCRC won't reveal that until they complete the entire review process. This is so as to avoid the applicant revising rejected grounds as and when they are rejected and resubmitting them. A Case Review Manager could easily get bogged down endlessly reviewing revised grounds submitted repeatedly.

So there is no significance in the 3 grounds that have been assessed, either way, we don't know if the are accepted or rejected. However, for the Case Review Manager to say that the submission is "mind-blowing" augers very well for a referral.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2024, 09:38:AM »
So what you worried about, if the content is mind blowing have pity for the CCRC having to go through all this documentation, you want a thorough review don't you?   Threre are other Prisoners with Applications who need the same Attention, not just Bamber.  Maybe you should have got your 70 wounds to the three adults in there as well, that would have sent them over the Edge.
I'm not worried about anything; seems that you are the one doing the worrying. CCRC have got all the information about the wounds to the adults, maybe they find that mind-blowing.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2024, 09:39:AM »
CCRC doesn't work that way. The three grounds examined to date may all have succeeded but the CCRC won't reveal that until they complete the entire review process. This is so as to avoid the applicant revising rejected grounds as and when they are rejected and resubmitting them. A Case Review Manager could easily get bogged down endlessly reviewing revised grounds submitted repeatedly.

So there is no significance in the 3 grounds that have been assessed, either way, we don't know if the are accepted or rejected. However, for the Case Review Manager to say that the submission is "mind-blowing" augers very well for a referral.
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Mind blowing in terms of complexity or mind blowing in damning do you think ?
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« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2024, 09:40:AM »
I expect in terms of damning to the prosecution case

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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2024, 11:47:AM »
CCRC doesn't work that way. The three grounds examined to date may all have succeeded but the CCRC won't reveal that until they complete the entire review process. This is so as to avoid the applicant revising rejected grounds as and when they are rejected and resubmitting them. A Case Review Manager could easily get bogged down endlessly reviewing revised grounds submitted repeatedly.

So there is no significance in the 3 grounds that have been assessed, either way, we don't know if the are accepted or rejected. However, for the Case Review Manager to say that the submission is "mind-blowing" augers very well for a referral.
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So why doesn't Bamber Submit fewer claims/grounds per submission?

He could submit one claim/ground per submission, and get each result back in a year.

Submit the strongest claim in 2021, and he would have got the result back two years ago, and the CoA could be underway as we speak.

If the CoA system is the same as it was in 2002, then all 9 of his other claims/grounds, can be submitted to the CoA without going through the CCRC.

That way all 10 of his claims/grounds end up being investigated by the CoA, but only one claim had to be submitted to the CCRC.  And that one claim would only take a year to investigate.

Why doesn't he do this.

Jeremy Bamber has chosen to submit his claims/grounds in such a way as to create maximum delays.  At the current rate, his ten grounds/claims will take ten years to review.

If Jeremy Bambers evidence is as strong as he says it is, and if he'd submitted his claims/grounds one by one, then he would have been a free man by now.  He has chosen not to take this option. 

It kind of confirms that Jeremy Bamber is deliberately causing delays, so that the process takes 10 years instead of one.  And there are only two reasons why he would do that.  1:  The evidence is faked, fabricated and junk.  2: He's guilty.



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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2024, 12:19:PM »
So what you worried about, if the content is mind blowing have pity for the CCRC having to go through all this documentation, you want a thorough review don't you?   Threre are other Prisoners with Applications who need the same Attention, not just Bamber.  Maybe you should have got your 70 wounds to the three adults in there as well, that would have sent them over the Edge.

The CCRC are a joke we only have to look at the Post office scandal where the CCRC rejected something like 1 in 3 of the cases it received. They have massive powers but don't use them.

According to a report, the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) is currently not fit for purpose1. The report cites resourcing and skills limitations that lead to outright investigation failures, internal cultural problems, and an inapposite legal test that it must apply1. A survey conducted in May 2018 found that the majority of lawyers considered the CCRC not fit for purpose, and referred to failings regarding not interviewing witnesses, not understanding the significance of non-disclosure, not visiting the scene, and a misunderstanding of key points of law2.

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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2024, 12:25:PM »
The CCRC are a joke we only have to look at the Post office scandal where the CCRC rejected something like 1 in 3 of the cases it received. They have massive powers but don't use them.

According to a report, the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) is currently not fit for purpose1. The report cites resourcing and skills limitations that lead to outright investigation failures, internal cultural problems, and an inapposite legal test that it must apply1. A survey conducted in May 2018 found that the majority of lawyers considered the CCRC not fit for purpose, and referred to failings regarding not interviewing witnesses, not understanding the significance of non-disclosure, not visiting the scene, and a misunderstanding of key points of law2.
Bamber doesn't think they are a Joke?

APRIL last year.................................I’m feeling upbeat and positive. We had some great media at the end of last year, to let everyone know what was going on. I know that the Criminal Cases Review Commission gets some terrible press coverage. The system is slow, but I have a very good case manager, who I believe is trying to investigate my grounds of appeal. Maybe there’ll be news very soon. But everyone on the team, and all of my friends and supporters, are desperate for justice too. I am as well, of course; almost 38 years now, which is just such a long time.

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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2024, 12:32:PM »
Bamber doesn't think they are a Joke?

APRIL last year.................................I’m feeling upbeat and positive. We had some great media at the end of last year, to let everyone know what was going on. I know that the Criminal Cases Review Commission gets some terrible press coverage. The system is slow, but I have a very good case manager, who I believe is trying to investigate my grounds of appeal. Maybe there’ll be news very soon. But everyone on the team, and all of my friends and supporters, are desperate for justice too. I am as well, of course; almost 38 years now, which is just such a long time.

Well I think the CCRC are a total disgrace, just a quick look at some of the cases they should have referred proves this.

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« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2024, 01:10:PM »
Well I think the CCRC are a total disgrace, just a quick look at some of the cases they should have referred proves this.
They have been in touch with Bamber Rob,  "Nothing to see here"?

I was due a substantial update from the Commission on their progress by the end of March this year. I wasn’t hopeful for anything, based on my years of experience dealing with the CCRC and I was right. The update was a very brief ‘nothing to see here’, still reviewing and will update again in 3 months.


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« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2024, 01:18:PM »
So why doesn't Bamber Submit fewer claims/grounds per submission?
It may not be his decision, he has an experienced lawyer advising him. Mark Newby has supposedly a 100% track record of getting submissions accepted by the CCRC.

My own view is that it is a great mistake to submit ten grounds all in one go, each having to be analysed in detail before any decision will be made for or against. Better to have selected 1 or 2 of the strongest points and submitted those.

I don't think that Bamber is deliberately trying to obfuscate over the evidence. He has more than enough evidence that numerous people lied in Court. I just think he has been badly advised about how to present his case to the CCRC. As I have said previously, better to have published a book or just released the material on his website if he is keen for people to see the scale of the false evidence that was given in his case. I don't think the secrecy about the submissions has helped him at all.

He has a very strong desire to expose to the public every person who lied at his trial and I think that this influences his decisions a lot, even when the deception is minor and not really relevant to the big picture. Again, I think that this kind of thing is better outlined in a book than in a submission to the CCRC.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2024, 07:34:PM »
It may not be his decision, he has an experienced lawyer advising him. Mark Newby has supposedly a 100% track record of getting submissions accepted by the CCRC.

My own view is that it is a great mistake to submit ten grounds all in one go, each having to be analysed in detail before any decision will be made for or against. Better to have selected 1 or 2 of the strongest points and submitted those.

I don't think that Bamber is deliberately trying to obfuscate over the evidence. He has more than enough evidence that numerous people lied in Court. I just think he has been badly advised about how to present his case to the CCRC. As I have said previously, better to have published a book or just released the material on his website if he is keen for people to see the scale of the false evidence that was given in his case. I don't think the secrecy about the submissions has helped him at all.

He has a very strong desire to expose to the public every person who lied at his trial and I think that this influences his decisions a lot, even when the deception is minor and not really relevant to the big picture. Again, I think that this kind of thing is better outlined in a book than in a submission to the CCRC.

Don't you think it is far-fatched to claim that everyone in this case lied - Not just the police, Julie Mugford and all of the wider family, but the expert witnesses?

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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2024, 07:39:PM »
Don't you think it is far-fatched to claim that everyone in this case lied - Not just the police, Julie Mugford and all of the wider family, but the expert witnesses?

Jeremy Bamber is on record accusing three key police officers DS Jones, Ron cook, and Ainsley

I believe from a gulity perspective Julie is a key feature. But as a willing accomplice.

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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2024, 04:51:AM »
Don't you think it is far-fatched to claim that everyone in this case lied - Not just the police, Julie Mugford and all of the wider family, but the expert witnesses?
I don’t think that he claims that everyone lied but a significant portion did. Either lied or gave evidence that was incorrect. I think that quite a few witnesses misled the jury in varying degrees, and that rankles with him. As his lawyer said when the submission was made, the new information completely contradicts the prosecution narrative.

To give just one example of an expert witness misleading the jury:
John Hayward deception-

The Jury was hoodwinked by the Prosecution in relation to blood said to have been found inside a silencer. It seems that in the two or three days available to the prosecution prior to the trial, as a way of obscuring the information that had come to light about the origin of the blood which could have belonged to Robert Boutflour, the police or the prosecution deliberately produced a list which the prosecution referred to at the trial, but the list intentionally omitted any of the relative’s names, including, crucially, Robert Boutflour. Therefore, when giving witness testimony, forensic scientist John Hayward referred to the ‘list’ and as a result Hayward was able to tell the court that the only person on the list whose blood was found inside the silencer was Sheila Caffell.
 
The questioning of Hayward by Arlidge for the prosecution was seemingly purposely misleading. The following exchange took place in relation to blood found inside the silencer:
”Q) Mr Arlidge: Did you test further any of that blood?
A) Hayward: I did, Sir, and found that this blood was also of human origin, and I obtained grouping reactions for group A PGM1+EAP BA AK1 Hp 2-1.
Q) Mr Arlidge: Looking at those items you have given…it appears that those correspond with the grouping that you found for Sheila Caffell?
A) Hayward: That is correct Sir
Q) Mr Arlidge: But not with anybody else on our list?
A) Hayward: That is correct Sir.”

The list that Arlidge referred to contained the names of the five victims plus Jeremy Bamber. Therefore, Mr Hayward answered truthfully that the only person on that list with the blood group A PGM1+EAP BA AK1 Hp 2-1 was Sheila Caffell.

However, Mr Hayward was aware that blood samples had been taken from some of Jeremy Bamber’s relatives and the blood was also an identical match for Robert Boutflour. Mr Hayward did not disclose this to the Court, neither did anyone else on behalf of the prosecution.

Forensic scientist John Hayward also testified as follows in reference to a small flake of blood said to have been found inside the silencer:

Hayward: I found that this blood was also of human origin, and I obtained grouping reactions for group A PGM1+EAP BA AK1 Hp 2-1.
Q) Mr Arlidge: Looking at those items you have given… it appears that those correspond with the grouping that you found for Sheila Caffell?
A) Hayward: That is correct Sir

However, that testimony is false in two respects (a) Hayward did not actually test any of the blood, it was cut into five tiny pieces and analysed by five separate junior staff, and (b) chart notations by his five junior staff show conclusively that Hayward did not have two consistent results in the HP2-1 group nor in the AK1 group, nor in the ABO A grouping.

Therefore, his own criteria for blood testing, i.e. the necessity to have two confirmed results, was not met by the sample analysed and, in respect of the first two questions asked by the Jury regarding the blood in the silencer being a “perfect match of Sheila’s blood”, the truth is that only one single blood group had two consistent tests, EAP and BA. John Hayward was seemingly deliberately misleading when he said that the blood found in the silencer was a match for Sheila Caffell and that he had any involvement in analysing it.

If the five junior staff from Hayward’s team had been called to give evidence, three of them would have to have admitted that their blood testing was inconclusive and therefore the blood in the silencer could not reliably be attributed to Sheila Caffell.
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Re: CCRC Watch article written by Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2024, 04:27:PM »
Why would Robert Boutflour have volunteered a sample of his blood had he been a co-conspirator in the sound moderator evidence?