Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall

[Adam]

'Definitely. I grew up doing a lot of hunting, often going out well before light, and moon and star light can make a huge difference'.

Over to you ILB & Rob.

[Adam]

'Questions like this make me really sad for anyone who hasn't gotten to experience a natural night. Night hikes are on of my favorite things. Just go get lost near Tahoe or something and turn off all your lights and let the stars guide you.'

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[Adam]

'Come to Scotland. Although you don't even need to be far outside town to be able to see the night sky properly. I have navigated through dense forest by moonlight before'.

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[Adam]

'Wow, this is fascinating. I never would have thought this seemed unlikely to someone. It's amazing how different life experiences can be between city and rural upbringing'.

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[Adam]

'Wait long enough and you'll see almost as clear as day, but details and colors will be hard to make out'.

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[Adam]

It all depends on the night. But in 'general, even with little moonlight, as long as there isn't too much cloud cover you can move around decently just by the starlight'.

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[Adam]

'And, a full moon can seem as bright as a street lamp under the right circumstances.'

Over to you ILB and Rob.

[ILB]

Everyone"

A select number of people on Reddit 

[ILB]

I am dismissing the post.

[Adam]

In the last week alone I have -

Confirmed there is no artificial lighting at Goldhanger.

Confirmed there is no artificial lighting at TD.

Confirmed farmers work in the dark.

Confirmed farmers wear helmets with lights.

Posted a link with hundreds of photos of lit up farm land from the ambient light.

Quoted Philip who said Bamber would be easily seen from distance on The Sea Wall.

Quoted 9 independent people who said it is easy to get around using stars & the moonlight.

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ILB has to be man enough to accept 'night time' would not deter Bamber from cycling for 20 minutes a route he knew. 

Is he man enough or a coward?

[ILB]

In the last week alone I have -

Confirmed there is no artificial lighting at Goldhanger.

Confirmed there is no artificial lighting at TD.

Confirmed farmers work in the dark.

Confirmed farmers wear helmets with lights.

Posted a link with hundreds of photos of lit up farm land from the ambient light.

Quoted Philip who said Bamber would be easily seen from distance on The Sea Wall.

Quoted 9 independent people who said it is easy to get around using stars & the moonlight.

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ILB has to be man enough to accept 'night time' would not deter Bamber from cycling for 20 minutes a route he knew. 

Is he man enough or a coward?

I don't believe Jeremy Bamber went via the sea wall.

I don't believe the sea wall route was feasible.

Bamber didn't know the route

Fields and bad terrain

Too dark. Unable to see.

Route surrounded by shrubbery.

Goes through three farms

Populated sea wall ( de'ath).

It's my belief

[ILB]

Adams Reddit source also is people who using artificial lighting!

[Adam]

I don't believe Jeremy Bamber went via the sea wall.

I don't believe the sea wall route was feasible.

Bamber didn't know the route

Fields and bad terrain

Too dark. Unable to see.

Route surrounded by shrubbery.

Goes through three farms

Populated sea wall ( de'ath).

It's my belief

Will address each point.

You have the right to believe he drove.

Bamber knew the route for years. Or could learn it.

Good terrain. Farm tracks around fields. Lots of sources supplied.

Good light. Lots of sources supplied.

No shrubbery.

Prosecution route goes through one farm - Wyke Farm. Another route available.

Bamber's cycle ride very remote. No one there at dark.

Your belief is your choice. But your stance that the prosecution route is a 'non starter' does you no credit.

[Rob_]

According to CAL's book, the bike was new (although it could have been second hand).  So if brand new, I'd imagine it came with a dynamo or something similar.  Not sure though.

But he could have hand held a conventional torch, or taped it to the bike.  Or the bike may have come with conventional lights already installed.

There was enough moonlight to do the whole thing, and the moonlight would have made things easier, but I'd recommend using a torch.  If you are cycling at night on off road tracks (as I often do), you need a little bit of light just to light up the section of road in front of you.  And I'm talking just 2 or 3 feet.

He would only have needed a trickle of light from a torch in the darkness to allow him to see 5 feet in front of the bike.

However he did it, it was a relatively easy thing to do.   Only a rabid Bamber supporter would falsely claim that it was impossible.

Not that any of this matters.  This is a legally watertight issue, that cannot be legally challenged.   It would never count as new evidence.  Also, to claim that it was impossible to complete in darkness with a bike and a torch, on a sufficiently moonlit night, is not capable of belief.  People cross the channel with less.

Just a quick search on google gave me the link below...but I can confirm, on the night that Jeremy Bamber murdered his entire family, there was enough moonlight to cycle to WHF and back. Fact.

These posts below talk about the full moon giving as much light as a streetlight.  On the night Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it was something like 68%.  Not the luxury of 100% moon, but good enough.

https://new.reddit.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/4yewtb/does_moonlight_really_give_enough_visibility_to/

The thing is, even when there is no moon, there us still some light around.  It's never pitch black.

Do you believe everything you read?

A full Moon gives out nothing like as much light as a streetlight something like 100x less.

I say Bamber would have walked, ILB says he would have driven we are are not saying the trip was impossible.

The question I have for you is Bamber could have walked / jogged somewhere between 4 to 6 miles per hour. What speed could he cycle at on roughish terrain in the dark? if it's much less than 10 mph he might as well go on foot.

[ILB]

Will address each point.

You have the right to believe he drove.

Bamber knew the route for years. Or could learn it.

Good terrain. Farm tracks around fields. Lots of sources supplied.

Good light. Lots of sources supplied.

No shrubbery.

Prosecution route goes through one farm - Wyke Farm. Another route available.

Bamber's cycle ride very remote. No one there at dark.

Your belief is your choice. But your stance that the prosecution route is a 'non starter' does you no credit.

I think it was a none starter.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.

What other route?