Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall

[Adam]

According to CAL's book, the bike was new (although it could have been second hand).  So if brand new, I'd imagine it came with a dynamo or something similar.  Not sure though.

But he could have hand held a conventional torch, or taped it to the bike.  Or the bike may have come with conventional lights already installed.

There was enough moonlight to do the whole thing, and the moonlight would have made things easier, but I'd recommend using a torch.  If you are cycling at night on off road tracks (as I often do), you need a little bit of light just to light up the section of road in front of you.  And I'm talking just 2 or 3 feet.

He would only have needed a trickle of light from a torch in the darkness to allow him to see 5 feet in front of the bike.

However he did it, it was a relatively easy thing to do.   Only a rabid Bamber supporter would falsely claim that it was impossible.

Not that any of this matters.  This is a legally watertight issue, that cannot be legally challenged.   It would never count as new evidence.  Also, to claim that it was impossible to complete in darkness with a bike and a torch, on a sufficiently moonlit night, is not capable of belief.  People cross the channel with less.

Just a quick search on google gave me the link below...but I can confirm, on the night that Jeremy Bamber murdered his entire family, there was enough moonlight to cycle to WHF and back. Fact.

These posts below talk about the full moon giving as much light as a streetlight.  On the night Jeremy Bamber murdered his family, it was something like 68%.  Not the luxury of 100% moon, but good enough.

https://new.reddit.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/4yewtb/does_moonlight_really_give_enough_visibility_to/

The thing is, even when there is no moon, there us still some light around.  It's never pitch black.

Yes an easy 20 minute bike ride for a highly motivated Bamber who knew the route.

The defence would have checked day and night. Then agreed making it an issue would do more harm than good. So just said 'possible but no one saw him'. 

Have you got a source it was 68%?

[ILB]

Obviously the defence didn't check.

Adam just making shit up as he goes along.

But that is Adam.

[Adam]

https://new.reddit.com/r/tolkienfans/comments/4yewtb/does_moonlight_really_give_enough_visibility_to/

Interesting link from Killingeve.

Everyone saying you can cycle at night. Easily.

Just using the stars, moon and ambient light.

But ILB will say the link is biased.

It's what cowards do.

[Adam]

'Absolutely. I do a lot of cross-country hiking at night by the light of the moon, and even just by starlight if I'm familiar with the route. Spoken as a country boy'.

[Adam]

'Absolutely. I can walk with ease by starlight (as long as trees don't block overhead). I can read by a full moon.'

[Adam]

'Definitely. I grew up doing a lot of hunting, often going out well before light, and moon and star light can make a huge difference'.

[Adam]

'Questions like this make me really sad for anyone who hasn't gotten to experience a natural night. Night hikes are on of my favorite things. Just go get lost near Tahoe or something and turn off all your lights and let the stars guide you.'

[Adam]

'Come to Scotland. Although you don't even need to be far outside town to be able to see the night sky properly. I have navigated through dense forest by moonlight before'.

[Adam]

'Wow, this is fascinating. I never would have thought this seemed unlikely to someone. It's amazing how different life experiences can be between city and rural upbringing'.

[Adam]

'Wait long enough and you'll see almost as clear as day, but details and colors will be hard to make out'.

[Adam]

It all depends on the night. But in 'general, even with little moonlight, as long as there isn't too much cloud cover you can move around decently just by the starlight'.

[Adam]

'in general yes, the moon and stars are plenty bright enough to walk under.'

[Adam]

'And, a full moon can seem as bright as a street lamp under the right circumstances.'

[Adam]

'Absolutely. I do a lot of cross-country hiking at night by the light of the moon, and even just by starlight if I'm familiar with the route. Spoken as a country boy'.

Over to you ILB & Rob.

[Adam]

'Absolutely. I can walk with ease by starlight (as long as trees don't block overhead). I can read by a full moon.'

Over to you ILB & Rob.