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Robin Garbutt
« on: January 09, 2024, 01:24:PM »

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Re: Robin Garbutt
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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2024, 07:10:PM »
https://youtu.be/i4vOb3yXDBk
The same old story: a couple living beyond their means, a breakdown in the marital relationship and a husband who wouldn't hurt a fly.

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Re: Robin Garbutt
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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 12:10:PM »
heres hes officail website http://www.robingarbuttofficial.com/

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2024, 03:47:PM »
The same old story: a couple living beyond their means, a breakdown in the marital relationship and a husband who wouldn't hurt a fly.
Typical rush to judgement from you. What could we expect. I tend towards guilt but there are issues.

1 The police cocked up on the crime scene evidence and lost the hair from a possible perpetrator.

2 TOD is an imprecise part of Pathology and I wonder whether the use of an academic was the right choice given the critical nature of this evidence to obtaining the conviction. There can be a lot of difference between theory and practice in this aspect as Knight points out.

3 The murder weapon was discarded in a manner of an escaping suspect and if he did kill his wife it would make more sense to hide and dispose of it in a less obvious manner and maybe at a later date.

4 this kind of robbery often recurs as thieves often point out soft touches to their brothers in crime. I believe it is a statistical fact that such targets often get raided more than once.

5 Although people who knew them say it did not fit the person they thought they knew and no one can know the inside of others relationships. Some weight can be given to this aspect

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2024, 08:27:PM »
Typical rush to judgement from you. What could we expect. I tend towards guilt but there are issues.

1 The police cocked up on the crime scene evidence and lost the hair from a possible perpetrator.

2 TOD is an imprecise part of Pathology and I wonder whether the use of an academic was the right choice given the critical nature of this evidence to obtaining the conviction. There can be a lot of difference between theory and practice in this aspect as Knight points out.

3 The murder weapon was discarded in a manner of an escaping suspect and if he did kill his wife it would make more sense to hide and dispose of it in a less obvious manner and maybe at a later date.

4 this kind of robbery often recurs as thieves often point out soft touches to their brothers in crime. I believe it is a statistical fact that such targets often get raided more than once.

5 Although people who knew them say it did not fit the person they thought they knew and no one can know the inside of others relationships. Some weight can be given to this aspect
I haven't rushed to judgement at all. I'm familiar with the case. Did the jury rush to judgement?

1. Police didn't preserve the crime scene as they should have. That does not make Robin Garbutt innocent. Why go upstairs to bash Diana over the head three times when she was no threat? Thieves want to get in and out of a property expeditiously.

2. Hypostatis and rigor mortis were present. A neighbour said Diana's hand was stiff. Robin had to contradict this to establish his narrative.

3. Why would an escaping suspect leave the murder weapon only yards from the scene? How else was Robin Garbutt to discard the murder weapon if he was guilty?

4. It's quite possible that Robin had got away with siphoning off £11000 only one year previously under pretext of  claiming armed robbery. Was Diana suspicious or even complicit? He may have become emboldened to embezzle more funds, the second time disposing of his wife in the process.

5. I'm assuming the Prosecution at trial had evidence of Mrs. Garbutt frequenting dating sites. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8921593.postmistress-visited-dating-sites-relationships-men-court-told/

Incidentally, since you recently commented on another member's orthography, I should point out that you omitted an apostrophe on others' relationships. Typical of the type of school you attended, I would say.
 

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2024, 11:29:PM »
I haven't rushed to judgement at all. I'm familiar with the case. Did the jury rush to judgement?

1. Police didn't preserve the crime scene as they should have. That does not make Robin Garbutt innocent. Why go upstairs to bash Diana over the head three times when she was no threat? Thieves want to get in and out of a property expeditiously.

2. Hypostatis and rigor mortis were present. A neighbour said Diana's hand was stiff. Robin had to contradict this to establish his narrative.

3. Why would an escaping suspect leave the murder weapon only yards from the scene? How else was Robin Garbutt to discard the murder weapon if he was guilty?

4. It's quite possible that Robin had got away with siphoning off £11000 only one year previously under pretext of  claiming armed robbery. Was Diana suspicious or even complicit? He may have become emboldened to embezzle more funds, the second time disposing of his wife in the process.

5. I'm assuming the Prosecution at trial had evidence of Mrs. Garbutt frequenting dating sites. https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8921593.postmistress-visited-dating-sites-relationships-men-court-told/

Incidentally, since you recently commented on another member's orthography, I should point out that you omitted an apostrophe on others' relationships. Typical of the type of school you attended, I would say.

Perhaps if you had given reasons for your stance it would not have appeared that way. I gave reasons for my stance.
I too have considered the points you make.
1 The fact that they lost the hair suggests she showed some resistance or an effort to extricate 
 herself. Her fight for an exit could have created a reaction from her possible guardian who lashed out when attacked.

2 The neighbour was not a pathologist and only touched one hand. Depending on whether her arm was trapped before they turned her she might have created a dead hand through the downward pressure of her body weight.

3 The attacker if wearing gloves and could discard the weapon freely rather than be caught in possession. No DNA. The police seem to have searched for the weapon externally and he could have  hidden it in a multitude of places within the premises. Even  cleaned it. He could have been spotted if he threw it away outside.

4 This though possible is pure speculation on your part and the other speculation is that he did not.

5 Whilst this would be a possible motive it seems he was happy in the relationship and we cannot know how he felt about this or even whether he knew. For all we know he may have suggested it if it made her happy.

If as you suggest it was premeditated he would have taken more care in the execution IMO.

I tend towards guilt but can see reasons why he may be a victim of circumstances since there is no forensic evidence linking him to the murder.

Please do not take on the role of spelling policeman. Adam misnamed Maldon several times he did not misspell it or omit an apostrophe. There is a place called Malden in Kingston upon Thames and this may have caused confusion.
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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2024, 08:58:AM »
New developments in the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/13/post-office-owner-says-horizon-system-was-used-to-frame-him-for-wifes-murder

Two points apart from the PO issues.
1 Why did the police say the gun and balaclava found some time later some miles away, were irrelevant?

2 Is there really unseen footage taken but not used by the TV company that show the murder weapon was not on top of the wall when Garbutt was away and staying with relatives immediately after the murder?

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2024, 11:24:AM »
I never realised the location for this. It's not far from Scotch Corner.

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2024, 10:23:PM »
New developments in the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/13/post-office-owner-says-horizon-system-was-used-to-frame-him-for-wifes-murder
The suspicion is Garbutt faked both robberies for financial gain. Yet nobody but himself ever saw an intruder.

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2024, 09:21:AM »
Gulity as sin

However I get the impression that he was actually a decent guy in everyday life who finally snapped due to financial pressure
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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2024, 11:05:AM »
he was first fingeredb  the horizion software i belive

i dont enouh aout the case to say weather he di it or not  but that sends some alarm bells

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Re: Robin Garbutt
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2024, 01:00:PM »
What did it for me is why would robbers kill his wife and then spend hours upstairs before coming down to attack him in his shop? It doesn't ring true it's nonsensical..

It seems that he and his wife lived separate life's. He was the hardworking postmaster, in bed at 9. His wife was more adventurous and outgoing. It seems like robin was getting financial diffiilculty by taking on expensive holidays to impress his wife and keep her sweet.

It's a sad case because I actually believe he was a decent guy. But he should have got a divorce. Not gone down the murder route.

However it appears they did get along, and were about to embark on a three week holiday to the US. Perhaps Robin just snapped at his financial predicament
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