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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #105 on: September 23, 2023, 07:44:PM »
Vanezis court testimony regarding the marks on Sheila's lower arm is quite pathetic.  Also Terezon complained about the photograph of Nevill's arm not being made available (I think HB).

I thought it was the bible?

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2023, 07:53:PM »
Nobody knows exactly what brief Knight was given by the defence. Therefore nobody knows whether Knight inspected all relevant images, nor the quality of images he did inspect.

Vanezis is a more controversial character than several members of this forum are prepared to consider. Being a pathologist isn't in itself a safeguard against anything untoward.

We have both pathologists testimony in the library here.  We know what the examination and cross amounted to.  Bamber was not convicted on Vanezis' trial testimony. 

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2023, 08:02:PM »
We have both pathologists testimony in the library here.  We know what the examination and cross amounted to.  Bamber was not convicted on Vanezis' trial testimony.

The jury were misled to believe that there were no fight injuries on Sheila. There are Post Mortem images of Sheila with visible wounds upon her body, after the blood was washed from her body. Of course Bamber was convicted on Vanezis' court testimony.

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #108 on: September 23, 2023, 08:06:PM »
The jury were misled to believe that there were no fight injuries on Sheila. There are Post Mortem images of Sheila with visible wounds upon her body, after the blood was washed from her body. Of course Bamber was convicted on Vanezis' court testimony.

What evidence exists that Sheila sustained "fight injuries"? 

What evidence exists that Bamber was convicted on Vanezis' court testimony?

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2023, 08:28:PM »
What evidence exists that Sheila sustained "fight injuries"? 

What evidence exists that Bamber was convicted on Vanezis' court testimony?

Essex Constabulary Photographic Department negatives from the crime scene and post mortem. Released to the defence circa 2011/2012.

In order to convict Jeremy Bamber, the police and prosecution needed to withhold evidence that Sheila was engaged in physical fights with June/Nevill.  Basically life or death struggles.

Vanezis lied in his court testimony and arguably via his disclosed post mortem.

BTW, Carol Ann Lee has already confirmed that the reason why ten members of the jury convicted, was because they felt the judge had directed them to. 

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #110 on: September 23, 2023, 08:48:PM »
Essex Constabulary Photographic Department negatives from the crime scene and post mortem. Released to the defence circa 2011/2012.

In order to convict Jeremy Bamber, the police and prosecution needed to withhold evidence that Sheila was engaged in physical fights with June/Nevill.  Basically life or death struggles.

Vanezis lied in his court testimony and arguably via his disclosed post mortem.

BTW, Carol Ann Lee has already confirmed that the reason why ten members of the jury convicted, was because they felt the judge had directed them to.

Where's the expert evidence the negatives support Sheila sustaining "fight injuries"?

Where's the expert evidence that Vanezis was anything other than truthful and competent?  Why would Vanezis risk his career by lying? 

How would CAL know on what basis the jury found Bamber guilty?

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #111 on: September 23, 2023, 08:51:PM »
I thought it was the bible?

You could be right. I've just scanned through his letter and couldn't see mention of the photo.  Either my mind is playing tricks on me or I have read the claim somewhere else.

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #112 on: September 23, 2023, 09:51:PM »
Shelia was helping Colin prepare food at his party the weekend before the tragic event.

Certainly have to be slightly mobile to do such a task.

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2023, 09:54:PM »
Shelia was helping Colin prepare food at his party the weekend before the tragic event.

Certainly have to be slightly mobile to do such a task.

She was a mouse to the slaughter. Confused and vacant at the party.

Supported by CC, Nevill and June.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2023, 09:58:PM »
She was a mouse to the slaughter. Confused and vacant at the party.

Supported by CC, Nevill and June.

Well I beg to differ, and I reckon I'm not in a club of one.
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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #115 on: September 23, 2023, 10:01:PM »
Well I beg to differ, and I reckon I'm not in a club of one.

You can support Bamber's technicality attempts.

But suggesting Sheila committed the massacre is terrible.
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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #116 on: September 23, 2023, 10:04:PM »
You can support Bamber's technicality attempts.

But suggesting Sheila committed the massacre is terrible.

Define a " technicality"

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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #117 on: September 23, 2023, 10:07:PM »
Sheila would have put up zero resistance to Bamber. Let alone been pro active herself & overpowered two stronger adults. One a male.

But supporters can support Bamber's technicality attempts.
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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #118 on: September 23, 2023, 10:10:PM »
Sheila would have put up zero resistance to Bamber. Let alone been pro active herself & overpowered two stronger adults. One a male.

But supporters can support Bamber's technicality attempts.

Nice of you to turn June into Griselda Blanco after a decade of championing Nevills prowess

Maybe the prosecution should have included June ?

Or maybe she herself was in bed and lamb to the slaughter in a Shelia scenario as well?
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Re: Would June have instantly disarmed Sheila?
« Reply #119 on: September 23, 2023, 10:10:PM »
Vanezis court testimony regarding the marks on Sheila's lower arm is quite pathetic.  Also Terezon complained about the photograph of Nevill's arm not being made available (I think HB).
I know he had a list of things that wasn't available Roch, but i haven't seen the one about Neville's arm?