Was Sheila's illness curable?

[ILB]

Sheila had no experience with weapons. In her condition she would not be able to use it.

There is no evidence on her she did.

The rifle is not difficult to work out

[ILB]

Nevill, June or both would have instantly taken the rifle off Sheila.

It was a rifle for shooting rabbits.

In your opinion.

[ILB]

Sheila was extremely weak, docile, confused, half awake, unfocused, unbalanced, unaware and uncordinated when Bamber woke her.

She had been in the previous days.

Bamber had just inflicted 40+ injuries to Nevill in his kitchen attack. He was hyped and ready for any resistance from Sheila. But as expected she put up none.

In your opinion.

There are accounts of shelia being active as well in the  weeks, months proceeding the massacre

[Zoso]

A precursor incident also leaves open the possibility that all was certainly not well in the household, as each retired for the night.  An initial, lesser incident leaves open the chance of bad feeling smoldering, leading to the lethal incident.

You can almost hear Nevill or June saying 'we'll discuss this in the morning'.  Sheila discussed it in her head instead.

Or saying the same to Bamber as he left.

[Roch]

Or saying the same to Bamber as he left.

By precursor, I mean something bordering on physical, or actually physical.  However it may been verbal only, and you're right, we only have Jeremy's word for what is supposed to have happened.

[Jane]

By precursor, I mean something bordering on physical, or actually physical.  However it may been verbal only, and you're right, we only have Jeremy's word for what is supposed to have happened.

How many times have I said exactly that? I really find it kinda 'spicious when events occur with only JB's words of explanation.

[Steve_uk]

People are claiming that Shelia couldn't hardly function, had no coordination, couldn't do tasks for herself and relied on others!

The fact is she was applying for a job. It takes a degree of functioning! Independence, and nous to do. It means at the very least she was physically capable

Which contradicts her inability to function!

I'm not talking about her prostidguous background Jane cmon!

I sense a lot of Sheila's actions were keeping up appearances in front of her parents. She wasn't career-focussed in the same way Julie was. An employer whom she cleaned for in Hampstead commented that she had to be directed in her work. I think Sheila was on a downward trajectory to mental illness from the modelling assignment in Japan days, when she had felt ill at ease and had asked Colin to book an appointment with a psychiatrist upon her return.

[Jane]

I sense a lot of Sheila's actions were keeping up appearances in front of her parents. She wasn't career-focussed in the same way Julie was. An employer whom she cleaned for in Hampstead commented that she had to be directed in her work. I think Sheila was on a downward trajectory to mental illness from the modelling assignment in Japan days, when she had felt ill at ease and had asked Colin to book an appointment with a psychiatrist upon her return.

It makes me wonder if she was already undergoing psych care. It's simply not possible to take a decision to see a consultant without going through a GP first.

[Steve_uk]

Why was Shelia seeking employment then and looking to embark on holidays abroad and meeting gentlemen for dates?

That is not the behaviour of an individual who is said to be in the state you are alluding to

I can't help comparing Sheila with Mary Parkinson. I think Sheila, Mary and Jeremy felt the weight of expectation from their respective parents and felt as though they were relative failures in comparison. Both Sheila and Jeremy tried to avoid White House Farm upon adulthood for that reason. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5865017/Tory-grandee-Cecil-Parkinsons-eldest-daughter-hanged-herself.html

[Steve_uk]

It makes me wonder if she was already undergoing psych care. It's simply not possible to take a decision to see a consultant without going through a GP first.

I've been told the most serious cases are those where the prospective patient doesn't sense anything wrong. It seems there is more hope if the person recognizes themself that they need help.

[ILB]

I can't help comparing Sheila with Mary Parkinson. I think Sheila, Mary and Jeremy felt the weight of expectation from their respective parents and felt as though they were relative failures in comparison. Both Sheila and Jeremy tried to avoid White House Farm upon adulthood for that reason. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5865017/Tory-grandee-Cecil-Parkinsons-eldest-daughter-hanged-herself.html

I think both children were predominantly spoilt and both tied somewhat to their parents apron strings. It was a family of wealthm for maybe both children it was always a case of " if I mess up, dad ( nevill ) will fork out money to pick up the pieces"

The Bambers had provided a good life, and I think from the other side of things June and Nevill wanted two children in their own mould, regimented.

Unfortunately they got a Shelia and they got a Jeremy

[Steve_uk]

I think both children were predominantly spoilt and both tied somewhat to their parents apron strings. It was a family of wealthm for maybe both children it was always a case of " if I mess up, dad ( nevill ) will fork out money to pick up the pieces"

The Bambers had provided a good life, and I think from the other side of things June and Nevill wanted two children in their own mould, regimented.

Unfortunately they got a Shelia and they got a Jeremy

I think that was true for Jeremy (foreign trips, car replacement) but not of Sheila. I don't see her as materialistic in the slightest. June's worry about the damp flat in Hampstead and her concern for the twins led her to buy the Maida Vale flat, not any prompting from her daughter.

[ILB]

I think that was true for Jeremy (foreign trips, car replacement) but not of Sheila. I don't see her as materialistic in the slightest. June's worry about the damp flat in Hampstead and her concern for the twins led her to buy the Maida Vale flat, not any prompting from her daughter.

I disagree in reference to Shelia in the early days Steve.

She had ambitions of being a top model.

She wanted the London life, it wouldn't have come cheap. And June and Nevill were paying for this. The Lucy Clayton school which June paid for, who financed the Japan airflight ticket? Who financed the nights out? Shelia was between jobs,Colin was on an art grant, the bank of Nevill and June !

I believe Shelia was monetary based as much as Jeremy was. Perhaps not as much as her problems got worse. But certainly was at a time.

[ILB]

Think many parents want their offspring to emulate them. Try to get them to enjoy a hobby, try to get them to take up a trade they have done, follow in the footsteps etc et al.

We are all individuals who are on our own journey in life. You can't expect to clone a mini me.

[Adam]

Bamber was an inheritance killer. He testified himself he liked expensive things.