Was Sheila's illness curable?

[Adam]

Suspect the Haloperiodal literally did make Sheila bedbound. It is an extremely powerful drug.

Getting it halved meant she could walk. But still had no focus, alertness got cofused, was docile, non responsive, had balance/coordination problems, involuntary movements, no strength or energy.

She put up no resistance to Bamber.

But Nevill did!

[ILB]

Suspect the Haloperiodal literally did make Sheila bedbound. It is an extremely powerful drug.

Getting it halved meant she could walk. But still had no focus, alertness got cofused, was docile, non responsive, had balance/coordination problems, involuntary movements, no strength or energy.

She put up no resistance to Bamber.

But Nevill did!

But there are sources that post march 1985 hospital that she did have energy and the wherewithal

[ILB]

Oh, c'mon, ILB! She was -momentarily!- employed as a cleaner. It was very short lived. We're talking about a privately educated female who ought to have been capable of more than menial jobs. She wasn't even capable of holding on to those.

People are claiming that Shelia couldn't hardly function, had no coordination, couldn't do tasks for herself and relied on others!

The fact is she was applying for a job. It takes a degree of functioning! Independence, and nous to do. It means at the very least she was physically capable

Which contradicts her inability to function!

I'm not talking about her prostidguous background Jane cmon!

[ILB]

Work in July 85?

So that's why she spent a week in early August being looked after by CC, June and Nevill.

Seems Shelia did quite a lot throughout that month period in terms of mobility and cognivity

Went out to nightclubs

Went out for meals

Had dates with men.

Part time job as a lingerie store cleaner

Part time job as a babysitter

Was planning a trip abroad with friends and the children

Friends do differ between her being " vibrant and out of it "

[Adam]

But there are sources that post march 1985 hospital that she did have energy and the wherewithal

Sheila was totally gone. Months before her 6 week stay in hospital earlier in the year.

CC, PB, RB, her best friend, Bamber all say so.

[Adam]

Nevill, June or both would have instantly disarmed Sheila. They were her mother & father and massively stronger.

The main difference is a fully fit Sheila may have made it to the kitchen in the first place. Sheila on the 7th August 1985 wouldn't.

[Adam]

ILB needs to find an angle to support a technicality.

Opposing all the rock solid evidence and WS's won't work.

I have suggested he visits the Sea Wall.

[ILB]

Nevill, June or both would have instantly disarmed Sheila. They were her mother & father and massively stronger.

The main difference is a fully fit Sheila may have made it to the kitchen in the first place. Sheila on the 7th August 1985 wouldn't.

Please refer to my second Shelia scenario

Thank you

[Adam]

Please refer to my second Shelia scenario

Thank you

Nevill and June would not wait until Sheila starts shooting the twins. Then start ringing Bamber's AM.

[ILB]

Nevill and June would not wait until Sheila starts shooting the twins. Then start ringing Bamber's AM.

My second scenario is rock solid

You just have to accept it

[Zoso]

Recollections of Shelia from friends, family and acquaintances differ on varying scales from March 1985 up to the date of the massacre. One one hand she is lethargic, vacant, distant, on other occasions she is actively seeking work and planning holidays and having dates with other men and enjoying a social life.

I'm guessing this is all part and parcel of Shelias medical condition. Good days and bad days. A cornerstone of the guilt argument is not just about her being unable to overpower nevill and being unable to operate the rifle. It is also down to her not having the physical capacity to even attempt such a feat. Adam often had made reference to this as of recent saying Shelia couldn't do it because she was a " mouse to the slaughter" and June cooked food for her.

My personal opinion is that I think she had the energy to do so. Whether she did or not is an entirely different matter of course

You just said it yourself, good days and bad days and from the recollections of people around at the time of the murders, she was having bad days. Even Bamber himself alludes to her being quiet and withdrawn. The days around the murders are the only days that matter. Also, even in the VERY UNLIKELY event that Sheila worked out how to use the rifle, I very much doubt she would kill her kids execution style and choose to die herself in her parents bedroom.

[ILB]

You just said it yourself, good days and bad days and from the recollections of people around at the time of the murders, she was having bad days. Even Bamber himself alludes to her being quiet and withdrawn. The days around the murders are the only days that matter. Also, even in the VERY UNLIKELY event that Sheila worked out how to use the rifle, I very much doubt she would kill her kids execution style and choose to die herself in her parents bedroom.

The rifle is not difficult to work out.

[ILB]

That doesn't make Bamber innocent, but I think it's wrong to assume that Shelia wouldn't know how to operate the rifle.

[Adam]

You just said it yourself, good days and bad days and from the recollections of people around at the time of the murders, she was having bad days. Even Bamber himself alludes to her being quiet and withdrawn. The days around the murders are the only days that matter. Also, even in the VERY UNLIKELY event that Sheila worked out how to use the rifle, I very much doubt she would kill her kids execution style and choose to die herself in her parents bedroom.

Sheila was in a terrible long term physical and mental condition. You don't go to hospital for that long for no reason.

It does seem her final few days were very bad and she would be extremely easy to control.

[Roch]

It does seem her final few days were very bad and she would be extremely easy to control.

Her blood seems to have been extremely easy to control.  According to some members, Jeremy was pivoting her arm and wrist, this way and that way, as he sought to pose her.