David Boutflour WS's.

[Bubo bubo]

Eh? Oh now you're qualified to know what I think? You mention that people make dumb comments - yours is a winner on that score. You just can't help sniping!

As I say in another post. He is a burns expert with 39 years experience. I think Rob_ has produced excellent photographic material which answers all your questions. I guess like Doubting Thomas the Apostle you want an innocence supporter to burn themselves before you will agree.

[Adam]

A pyjama top is not skin Adam, do you want a source?

Do you think the aga went through his pyjama top and burnt his skin?

[ILB]

I've seen it. How on earth would he fall unconscious in that position? He has had to manipulate the scene with a guy who is fully conscious and in full control of his body. How does an unconscious man stay in that position or end up falling in such a position in the first place.

To be fair that is a very good point

[Adam]

The aga burn theory is so bad even Bamber did not suggest it for 38 years.

[Bubo bubo]

I've seen it. How on earth would he fall unconscious in that position? He has had to manipulate the scene with a guy who is fully conscious and in full control of his body. How does an unconscious man stay in that position or end up falling in such a position in the first place.

Maybe he was pinned by an upturned chair or because he was unconscious he did not move with his left hip a little closer than his right.

[Rob_]

I've seen it. How on earth would he fall unconscious in that position? He has had to manipulate the scene with a guy who is fully conscious and in full control of his body. How does an unconscious man stay in that position or end up falling in such a position in the first place.

So you are happy with Nevil balancing on a chair in a position that needs rigour to keep him their, but you say the position against the Aga is impossible!

You really take the biscuit Zoso!

[Bubo bubo]

The aga burn theory is so bad even Bamber did not suggest it for 38 years.

That is because he is innocent and was not present.

[Adam]

Maybe he was pinned by an upturned chair or because he was unconscious he did not move with his left hip a little closer than his right.

Pinned by an upturned chair?

[Zoso]

As I say in another post. He is a burns expert with 39 years experience. I think Rob_ has produced excellent photographic material which answers all your questions. I guess like Doubting Thomas the Apostle you want an innocence supporter to burn themselves before you will agree.

He's answered all my questions has he? Well thanks for telling me that - what would we do without you telling us what we think?

[snow66!]

No one is playing games, the door handle is too proud of the other parts and who falls unconscious laying perfectly straight of their side?

Sorry Zoso,but the video makes everything very clear.The handle is proud and this is the reason that all three points of the Aga are touching a curved back,the three points form a curve with the middle point furthest in,CONCAVE to the handle and the other point.

In other words we have three points of the Aga forming a curve touching a curved back/spine.Very simple.
Watch the part where the volunteer lays down,you will see the curve that the parts form against his back and Boyce comenting that they are all touching.

As for lying completely parallel to the marks,we cannot tell if this is the case,the marks are only a couple of inches long not the complete length of his back,so there is no way of knowing how parallel they are in that short distance.
No,everything is quite clear and in order Zoso.

[Bubo bubo]

He's answered all my questions has he? Well thanks for telling me that - what would we do without you telling us what we think?

Guilters are always capable of mind reading. Some make a habit of it. Maybe some of it has rubbed off. Jane and Steve-uk are experts at this,

[Zoso]

So you are happy with Nevil balancing on a chair in a position that needs rigour to keep him their, but you say the position against the Aga is impossible!

You really take the biscuit Zoso!

It didn't need rigor to keep him there, I've seen the uncensored CS picture, the way body was angled was keeping him there.

Only certain kinds and only with a cup of tea!

[Rob_]

Sorry Zoso,but the video makes everything very clear.The handle is proud and this is the reason that all three points of the Aga are touching a curved back,the three points form a curve with the middle point furthest in,CONCAVE to the handle and the other point.

In other words we have three points of the Aga forming a curve touching a curved back/spine.Very simple.
Watch the part where the volunteer lays down,you will see the curve that the parts form against his back and Boyce comenting that they are all touching.

As for lying completely parallel to the marks,we cannot tell if this is the case,the marks are only a couple of inches long not the complete length of his back,so there is no way of knowing how parallel they are in that short distance.
No,everything is quite clear and in order Zoso.

Only if you are unbiased, open minded and honest Snow.

[Adam]

That is because he is innocent and was not present.

He was present and knew how Nevill's back was burnt - rifle minus silencer.

This was his 2012 CCRC submission.

The forensic evidence confirms guilt. But you are entitled to invent new crime scenes. Not sure why you would want to.

[Zoso]

Guilters are always capable of mind reading. Some make a habit of it. Maybe some of it has rubbed off. Jane and Steve-uk are experts at this,

Well, you'll be able to work out what I'm thinking now then .......... you're welcome!