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Offline David1819

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #135 on: July 29, 2023, 05:47:PM »
Thanks Dave.I think I will leave it there as far as Harrison is concerned to avoid opening up old wounds,which is not my intention.I will simply read Harrisons book again at my leasure.

Considering the fact he is the root cause of two members here trolling this forum to this day. He will always be relevant so long as them two continue to post pro-guilt nonsense on here. It makes sense.

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« Reply #136 on: July 29, 2023, 07:29:PM »
Wrong again and totally up the Swaney with this. I used this site and the red forum to gain access to case documents etc. I was a longstanding guest. I would follow posting from time to time but did my own analysis and thinking. I did not want my conclusions to be clouded by the likes of Caroline who for the second day in a row jumps in with an answer that is rubbish and shows just how biased she has become. The two sites were my best chance of finding facts.

I wasn't talking about you, but it's a measure of who you are that you thought I was.

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« Reply #137 on: July 29, 2023, 07:45:PM »
The problem you caused was because you bringing up the issue in an enquiring manner allowed David1819 to tease Zoso about her being taken in by this rogue and contributing to his discredited work on the case by way of providing information that was published in his paperback.

I'm not the only one on this forum mentioned in his book  ;). He simply asked if he could use something I had written on the forum and actually, the thing he used was from am innocent perspective. It was also something related to David's 'incredible' forensic breakthrough. He forgets that without me being here, he could never have written it - but maybe that's why he's so bitter, because his breakthrough ended up being complete pants. David will be griping about Paul Harrison on his death bed - "Regrets, I've had a few ...... Blah, Blah, Bllllllahhhhhhh!" Guess there is one thing we can say about PH - he did get his book published, all David got was the big brush off. Never mind

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« Reply #138 on: July 29, 2023, 07:50:PM »
David's secret forensic evidence breakthrough.

What a breakthrough that was.
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2023, 07:54:PM »
David's secret forensic evidence breakthrough.

What a breakthrough that was.

Also, self-proclaimed. 

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« Reply #140 on: July 29, 2023, 08:44:PM »
If I may just mention Mr Harrisons book one more time,concerning the burns to Nevills back,or should I say the lack of any mention of them at all.

Now I cant remember if they are spoken about anywhere else in the book,but they dont seem to be mentioned in the scenario which was sent to Harrison from the ex-con.

Now,I know I keep going on about the importance of the Aga causing the burns,but I really do think that if this 'theory' is accepted it has far wider implications than you may think ie,none of the witnesses mention Nevill lying against the Aga.Harrisons informant says that Nevill ran down stairs and was manhandled into a chair before being beaten and shot,no mention of burns at all that I can see,and definately no mention of Nevill lying on the floor for any length of time.

Now it is the same with Julie's statement,McDonald tells JB that the old man put up a fearsome fight,but no mention of him lying on the floor beside the Aga for a spell.
Now,I dont know who thinks Harrisons informant is reliable,but if you do,how do you account for the omission of the Aga burns? An activity which would have seen Nevill lying against the Aga for a considerable length of time.

The informant does not mention JB and Sheila knocking Nevill to the floor and then moving him away from the Aga several minutes later.Why didn't JB tell the informant this detail? Doesn't this discredit Harrisons book completely?

Ok,ok,only if you believe the Aga made the marks you are screaming.Well,I think the Aga marks will be accepted by the CCRC for reasons already given.If so,I think we can write off the alleged ex-con story.

And what about Julie,cant the same be said about her? What about the police scenario?
The thing is,none of the scenarios put forward mention a break in the massacre while Nevill is lying against the Aga. Every one has Nevill simply beaten then shot.

It is a very,very uncomfortable event to insert into a JB scenario indeed,an inconvenience as Roch put it.

In a nutshell,no one mentions Nevill lying against the Aga,not JB,not the ex-con,not Julie and not the police.Is this because the only person to see Nevill lying against the Aga was Sheila?

Now I know that Bubo and the campaign team claim that the police knew about Nevill lying against the Aga and moved him onto the chair, but does this make sense?

If the police moved Nevill wouldn't they have known that the Aga caused the burns? Did they hide this knowledge? Did Vanezis know? Has the police known from the start what caused the burns?
Still,they were small marks,so Nevill may have been moved without anyone noticing them.

No matter how you look at it,the ex-con and Sheila are totally unreliable witnesses by omitting the fact that Nevill was lying by the Aga mid massacre for several minutes or maybe even hours.



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« Reply #141 on: July 29, 2023, 08:47:PM »
Bamber says the burns were caused by rifle minus silencer.

It was the basis of his 2012 CCRC application.
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« Reply #142 on: July 29, 2023, 08:48:PM »
If Nevill lay on the aga door, he would have brought it up decades earlier.

To claim the police moved Nevill.
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« Reply #143 on: July 29, 2023, 09:22:PM »
If Nevill lay on the aga door, he would have brought it up decades earlier.

To claim the police moved Nevill.
EXACTLY Adam,I have pointed this out before!

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« Reply #144 on: July 29, 2023, 09:24:PM »
Bamber says the burns were caused by rifle minus silencer.

It was the basis of his 2012 CCRC application.
As you say Adam,this means Bamber had no idea that Nevill was lying against the Aga.Hence this points to innocence surely.
Now we are thinking alike.

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« Reply #145 on: July 29, 2023, 09:25:PM »
The problem I have with this conspiracy theory is that the initial crime scene was essentially a clean up.

Jeremy's word was taken at face value/ or what taff himself believed.

So I can't see why police would hinder a scene detrimental to Bamber.
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« Reply #146 on: July 29, 2023, 09:29:PM »
As you say Adam,this means Bamber had no idea that Nevill was lying against the Aga.Hence this points to innocence surely.
Now we are thinking alike.
Why would Jeremy broach the subject? He can't afford to let on he knew anything about what occurred from the time he pulled away in the car on the Tuesday evening.

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« Reply #147 on: July 29, 2023, 09:30:PM »
EXACTLY Adam,I have pointed this out before!

He knew he had left Nevill with head in coal scuttle.
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« Reply #148 on: July 29, 2023, 09:30:PM »
Perhaps if Jeremy Bamber had been thrown into a panda car on the morning of August 7th 1985 under a cloud of suspicion  then it becomes more believable.
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« Reply #149 on: July 29, 2023, 09:32:PM »
Why would Jeremy broach the subject? He can't afford to let on he knew anything about what occurred from the time he pulled away in the car on the Tuesday evening.

I don't think if gulity he relied much on either or the other " what ifs"

I believe he would just think that the " Shelia went bonkers with the gun " would suffice
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