The window Jeremy used for entry

[Adam]

You said you were writing to him to ask if he had one?

I do not believe the CT have ever mentioned the AM. Bamber has ignored ILB's letter.

A sentance in the OS saying -'Jeremy had an answering machine but always switched it off when arriving at home', would cover this.

ILB says he would not accept that. However I believe most supporters would.

The problem is Bamber having an AM on the massacre night gives guilters a lot of ammunition. So the CT have bottled it.

[Jane]

I would further add that these pieces of rug look like an old carpet that has been repurposed to provide protection to the underlying materials. A large carpet would yield several rugs. As far as I can tell all the others appear to have tufts. What is more the one by the Aga has what appear to be stains from spillage or been placed on newly washed flooring. I know these are not the highest quality photos but it looks greenish as you might expect from algae forming on the damp underside of the rug.

Isn't it a little too convenient that having decided Scene A wouldn't look good, on 'their' part, "they" just happened to locate a discarded carpet large enough to "yield several rugs" and have the necessary tools to make Scene B possible?

[Adam]

Isn't it a little too convenient that having decided Scene A wouldn't look good, on 'their' part, "they" just happened to locate a discarded carpet large enough to "yield several rugs" and have the necessary tools to make Scene B possible?

Does any part of the outside of the aga ever get hot?

None of the outside of my oven gets hot when on. Quite right to. Health and safety.

The door and structure of the aga looks thick. Cannot see inside heat breaching it.

[Bubo bubo]

Isn't it a little too convenient that having decided Scene A wouldn't look good, on 'their' part, "they" just happened to locate a discarded carpet large enough to "yield several rugs" and have the necessary tools to make Scene B possible?

I am suggesting that June had done the repurposing not EP as a means of protecting the kitchen flooring. I find your suggestion misplaced and a touch insulting. However a replacement is not my preferred answer. Turning over the existing rug or there were no blood stains from the lower wounds is my first option. The wounds to NB's arm do not appear to have run to produce droplets on the rug. and his arms may have been off the rug.

[Bubo bubo]

Does any part of the outside of the aga ever get hot?

None of the outside of my oven gets hot when on. Quite right to. Health and safety.

The door and structure of the aga looks thick. Cannot see inside heat breaching it.

It is clear you find the video disturbing. Boyce is the expert ask him.

[Jane]

I am suggesting that June had done the repurposing not EP as a means of protecting the kitchen flooring. I find your suggestion misplaced and a touch insulting. However a replacement is not my preferred answer. Turning over the existing rug or there were no blood stains from the lower wounds is my first option. The wounds to NB's arm do not appear to have run to produce droplets on the rug. and his arms may have been off the rug.

Are you suggesting that rugs were put down prior to the massacre? Because I'm left wondering just how June would have accomplished such a feat afterwards. I can't begin to imagine what her emotional state would have been. Cutting carpets, be they nylon pile or top of the range Wilton, requires the tools for the purpose and dexterity.

For the record, I'm sorry that you find my post "a touch insulting". Such was/is not my intention., but I am trying to get my head around what you're suggesting, to which end, it may be necessary for you to close/cover all possible loopholes.

[Bubo bubo]

Are you suggesting that rugs were put down prior to the massacre? Because I'm left wondering just how June would have accomplished such a feat afterwards. I can't begin to imagine what her emotional state would have been. Cutting carpets, be they nylon pile or top of the range Wilton, requires the tools for the purpose and dexterity.

For the record, I'm sorry that you find my post "a touch insulting". Such was/is not my intention., but I am trying to get my head around what you're suggesting, to which end, it may be necessary for you to close/cover all possible loopholes.

A totally stupid response. The repurposing was done well before the 07/08/85. Being a farm with all the dirt and muck associated it would make sense to keep the kitchen floor cleaner than would otherwise be the case by use of protective rugs. They would reduce cleaning and could be lifted when the floor was mopped.
Rugs would be used in the places most likely to be contaminated. Under the sink, under the table and by the Aga cooker.

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[Jane]

A totally stupid response. The repurposing was done well before the 07/08/85. Being a farm with all the dirt and muck associated it would make sense to keep the kitchen floor cleaner than would otherwise be the case by use of protective rugs. They would reduce cleaning and could be lifted when the floor was mopped.
Rugs would be used in the places most likely to be contaminated. Under the sink, under the table and by the Aga cooker.

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Certainly, but for the life of me I can't imagine why one would put pale rugs down in those places which get messiest/dirtiest, ie under tables or in front of cookers.

[Bubo bubo]

Certainly, but for the life of me I can't imagine why one would put pale rugs down in those places which get messiest/dirtiest, ie under tables or in front of cookers.

In one word Cost. If you are repurposing an old carpet you have had the value from it. By cutting it into pieces with a Stanley knife it is giving you something practical that can last a little longer could be cleaned if required and cheaper than buying new which would quickly become tainted. A practical solution from a practical farmers wife IMO.

[Jane]

In one word Cost. If you are repurposing an old carpet you have had the value from it. By cutting it into pieces with a Stanley knife it is giving you something practical that can last a little longer could be cleaned if required and cheaper than buying new which would quickly become tainted. A practical solution from a practical farmers wife IMO.

Yes, I know about repurposing. My father was very handy with a Stanley knife! However, even discards had to be practical so only the darker pieces were used in those places which were more likely, than others to become dirty. It didn't do for dirty rugs to be seen.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes, I know about repurposing. My father was very handy with a Stanley knife! However, even discards had to be practical so only the darker pieces were used in those places which were more likely, than others to become dirty. It didn't do for dirty rugs to be seen.

It was a farm kitchen and from other photos they were not that house proud. Look at the stairs leading off the kitchen. None of this is relevant to my original suggestion with regard to lack of blood on the rug.

[Adam]

It is clear you find the video disturbing. Boyce is the expert ask him.

Was asking Jane as she says she has a similar or the same aga.

I do find the video disturbing.

[Zoso]

I was trying to ask about the question in in post 531 and your answer to it 'completely'.  Under what grounds can you difinitively rule out the Aga as the cause?

For starters, he clearly states that the Aga was on FULL heat for his experiment. In the reality of the case, why would it be? Early hours of the morning in mid summer? Also, distance apart seems to work but the larger burn has a part in the centre that isn't burned. The handle of the Aga that he suggests may have caused it, has a rounded surface, which means the centre part of the handle would be in contact with the skin and there would be no unburned centre. Also, why hasn't he shown the pig skin that he used? That would have shown if the marks were caused by the AGA because they should be the same shape/size etc.

You're also saying to not look at the AGA theory and the theory that the police moved Nevill - together, but that's he whole premise. You can't look at one without the other - there has to be a reason why he'd be laying against the AGA one minute, then moved to another location. This actually points more to Jeremy. Sheila could never move him in a month of Sunday's and the police would have NO REASON.

Like I said, none starter for me.

[Adam]

Yes I wondered why an image of the pigs skin was not shown.

[Jane]

Was asking Jane as she says she has a similar or the same aga.

I do find the video disturbing.

Sorry Adam. Thought you were addressing BB. The outside of the warming oven doesn't get hot enough to burn, but neither is it cold to the touch. Being propped against its flat surface wouldn't be comfortable for long. The smaller -9 inches of flat surface from hinge to opening- 'cupboard' does get hot. I have to point out that the handle -2.5 inches north to south- is the only one which stands proud. All other hinges and handles -on the other opening parts and 15 inches in length - are flush/integral. None appear close enough, one to another, to create the three marks on Nevill's back.

I wonder if anyone has thought to contact AGA?