The window Jeremy used for entry

[snow66!]

You think June and Sheila lifted Nevill into multiple positions.

Whacked. Not prodded.

No multiple positions needed Adam,they were all made to the front of Nevills body

[Bubo bubo]

Well it would. As the timing of it occuring would need to be slotted in to the incident.  He could have been rendered unconscious as the result of slipping or tripping in an exhaustive struggle, in a confined and cluttered space. He was essentially combating a maniac, who also happens to be his own daughter.

What if it would take 2 hours for the 'marks' to reach that state? How would such be slotted into the EP scenario or any other for that matter. It is an assumption that he regained consciousness. What if he didn't? We need the time factor to produce realistic possible outcomes IMO.

[snow66!]

What if it would take 2 hours for the 'marks' to reach that state? How would such be slotted into the EP scenario or any other for that matter. It is an assumption that he regained consciousness. What if he didn't? We need the time factor to produce realistic possible outcomes IMO.

That is what I keep saying Bubo,until we know how long the burns took to form we cant give a detailed scenario.

[Bubo bubo]

That is what I keep saying Bubo,until we know how long the burns took to form we cant give a detailed scenario.

It becomes more complex because as Adam rightly points out the handle would be designed not to get very hot but the the door hinges are a different kettle of fish. Also if he was dead at the time this may have an affect on the timing. Guess we will have to wait

[David1819]

If Nevil was lying were Boyce now suggests, there would be blood all over the rug, yet there is not. Also it would not have been possible for the police to alter Nevils body into the position it was later photographed as it would be in a stiffened state of rigour mortis.

 

[Bubo bubo]

If Nevil was lying were Boyce now suggests, there would be blood all over the rug, yet there is not. Also it would not have been possible for the police alter Nevils body into the position it was later photographed as it would be in a stiffened state of rigour mortis.

I agree about the lack of blood. The same is true for June who had two head wounds and no blood pooled around her head. Her body was also staged. With regard to NB he would have bled even minimally on the rug. But that was easily swapped with one of the others shown in crime scene pictures. However he was in rigormortis which is why when they propped him on the chairs they supported his head with the coal scuttle. Without this action his legs would be totally out of place (pointing upwards) thus indicating he had been moved. Further his head would be on the floor. It was this fact as well as other considerations which led me to state that the marks were Aga burns and NB had been moved.

[Zoso]

Well it would. As the timing of it occuring would need to be slotted in to the incident.  He could have been rendered unconscious as the result of slipping or tripping in an exhaustive struggle, in a confined and cluttered space. He was essentially combating a maniac, who also happens to be his own daughter.

What 'timings' you already said that we don't know those.

[Bubo bubo]

If Nevil was lying were Boyce now suggests, there would be blood all over the rug, yet there is not. Also it would not have been possible for the police to alter Nevils body into the position it was later photographed as it would be in a stiffened state of rigour mortis.

I would also offer the following. There is no doubt that most of NB's bleeding is from the head.with some to the torso and minor wounds to the arm. Given the position claimed by Boyce it could be that the blood is hidden by the pile of seat cushions (5). It would not be possible for the cushions to pile in this way. It must be due to human intervention.

[Roch]

If Nevil was lying were Boyce now suggests, there would be blood all over the rug, yet there is not. Also it would not have been possible for the police to alter Nevils body into the position it was later photographed as it would be in a stiffened state of rigour mortis.

This is one of the reasons why I have suggested that Nevill was merely unconscious.  I have said for years, nobody knows when the incident actually started. If Jeremy is telling the truth about leaving the rifle on the settle: nobody knows when Sheila discovered it,
retrieved it; hid it; or used it. Nobody knows whether Nevill was asleep when she started carrying the weapon for use. Nobody knows when he attempted to disarm her.

[Roch]

What 'timings' you already said that we don't know those.

Can you explain in a different way?

[Adam]

I agree about the lack of blood. The same is true for June who had two head wounds and no blood pooled around her head. Her body was also staged. With regard to NB he would have bled even minimally on the rug. But that was easily swapped with one of the others shown in crime scene pictures. However he was in rigormortis which is why when they propped him on the chairs they supported his head with the coal scuttle. Without this action his legs would be totally out of place (pointing upwards) thus indicating he had been moved. Further his head would be on the floor. It was this fact as well as other considerations which led me to state that the marks were Aga burns and NB had been moved.

How and why was June's body staged?

Do you think Nevill was moved by the police and then they swapped rugs?

[ILB]

According to Wilkes Jeremy Bamber reported the loss of his father's wallet directly to DS Stan Jones August 11th 1985.

[Adam]

Everyone agrees Nevill received his other injuries after being shot.

ILB says Sheila's first of 3 attacks on Nevill was when he was fully fit. This was in the main bedroom.

Nevill or June did not reclaim the rifle although both fully fit.

June stayed in bed. Nevill left Sheila upstairs with the rifle to go downstairs and start ringing Jeremy's AM.

Hopefully ILB retracts from this.

[Adam]

No multiple positions needed Adam,they were all made to the front of Nevills body

You believe June and Sheila moved Nevill into multiple positions. So Sheila had access to hit Nevill with extreme power in multiple positions.

I do not believe June would agree to do this and then go back to bed to get shot.

[snow66!]

According to Wilkes Jeremy Bamber reported the loss of his father's wallet directly to DS Stan Jones August 11th 1985.

Yes,this is all I can find relating to the wallet too ILB. Zoso said the wallet was found by RWB in a trouser pocket,but did not say where or indeed when for that matter,presumably on 10th Aug.