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Offline Roch

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #270 on: July 18, 2023, 10:56:AM »
No idea what you're talking about here - it's been a long time since I read this stuff, can't be expected to remember everything  ;)

Miller said it to RB, which apparently fired up RB in to trying to imagine how Jeremy did it.  Nobody knew Miller had said it RB, during the trial or appeals. If the defence had been made aware that Miller had made such a claim, they could have put him on the stand and cross examined him.

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #271 on: July 18, 2023, 10:59:AM »
Miller said it to RB, which apparently fired up RB in to trying to imagine how Jeremy did it.  Nobody knew Miller had said it RB, during the trial or appeals. If the defence had been made aware that Miller had made such a claim, they could have put him on the stand and cross examined him.

Think Miller was talking guff. There is no such equipment, possibly (and shoot me if I am making assumptions here) trying to get RB to back off?

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #272 on: July 18, 2023, 11:01:AM »
Think Miller was talking guff. There is no such equipment, possibly (and shoot me if I am making assumptions here) trying to get RB to back off?

Of course it does beg the question why Miller wouldn't have just told RB that the bathroom window had been checked and it was found to be secured?

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #273 on: July 18, 2023, 11:14:AM »
Think Miller was talking guff. There is no such equipment, possibly (and shoot me if I am making assumptions here) trying to get RB to back off?

Miller being dishonest to RB doesn't paint Miller a good light.

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #274 on: July 18, 2023, 11:20:AM »
No he isn't - the bathroom window (a sash), was found to be unsecured. If Taff checked all windows, how did he know mention the lounge window being open? He was never specifically asked about the bathroom - all we know is, that on the afternoon, it was found to be unsecure and no one knew why!!

It's in his statement. Only mentions a dairy window.

Any copper on the scene could have opened any window. It was August and the height of summer
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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #275 on: July 18, 2023, 11:26:AM »
Top handle makes it secure.
Top handle makes it secure.
Top handle and bottom latch mean it was closed from inside.
All handles and catches were securely fixed in position.

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #276 on: July 18, 2023, 11:50:AM »
Top handle makes it secure.

You can't " bang" a top handle secure from the outside
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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #277 on: July 18, 2023, 12:22:PM »
It's in his statement. Only mentions a dairy window.

Any copper on the scene could have opened any window. It was August and the height of summer

Hall saw him open the window. TJ should have noted ANY window that was opened IF he'd checked them all. I posted the extract from his statement. He (Hall) is talking about the LOUNGE window in that passage.
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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #278 on: July 18, 2023, 12:24:PM »
Miller being dishonest to RB doesn't paint Miller a good light.

I'm sure police officers employ tactics to deal with family members that interfere.

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #279 on: July 18, 2023, 12:42:PM »
From Collins' second WS - he states dinning room, not lounge. Long time since I read this stuff.


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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #280 on: July 18, 2023, 02:25:PM »
Of course - it won't be good enough though - the excuse brigade will jump all over it - but that's OK - it's quite amusing when that happens. Remember though, we shouldn't make any points based on 'assumptions' - I think you said that?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1621.0.html
You are correct. It says he opened the window which would have included undoing the catch

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #281 on: July 18, 2023, 02:50:PM »
From Collins' second WS - he states dinning room, not lounge. Long time since I read this stuff.
It is clear that they were creating escape routes. You are suggesting Taff's missed these but it is much more likely that he checked with the TFG as to which windows they had opened. Good that you admit to getting the wrong room. However it does not explain why they used the kitchen window theory based on the families porky pies rather than blame Taff's who had died and could not provide the truth. Nor does your straw clutching explain why all involved agreed with Taff's in the first instance. I am sorry but your answers as you predicted are not good enough IMO

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #282 on: July 18, 2023, 03:45:PM »
You are correct. It says he opened the window which would have included undoing the catch


It might have. It could have. Equally, it may not have.

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #283 on: July 18, 2023, 04:24:PM »
You are correct. It says he opened the window which would have included undoing the catch

And?

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Re: The window Jeremy used for entry
« Reply #284 on: July 18, 2023, 04:34:PM »
It is clear that they were creating escape routes. You are suggesting Taff's missed these but it is much more likely that he checked with the TFG as to which windows they had opened. Good that you admit to getting the wrong room. However it does not explain why they used the kitchen window theory based on the families porky pies rather than blame Taff's who had died and could not provide the truth. Nor does your straw clutching explain why all involved agreed with Taff's in the first instance. I am sorry but your answers as you predicted are not good enough IMO

Well, I thought you didn't like assumptions? There's one right there! That's not actually what he said though was it? He said he checked ALL rooms and that the windows were all closed and locked - but that wouldn't be true because the RT opened the dinning room window - perfect time for him to acknowledge that - however, he said nothing. Others did though so we know it was open and that someone opened it on the morning of the murders - but NO ONE mentioned opening the bathroom window. The only reason that the catch would have been open (if opened by the police/RT) would be to open the window and yet no one mentioned opening the window or the window being open. If it were open then someone had to close it, said person would also surely have locked it, yet no one mentioned closing it either and as we know, the lock was open.