Luke's Address

[snow66!]

Been scouring the web for any useful info,and it seems there is definately an alternative route from the crime scene to Luke's street,this seems to have been accepted and even discussed by the sccrc by the sound of things.
So where is this route? Why isnt it common knowledge and discussed more widely?
I want to know this route and see how it ties in with where LM was sighted at certain times.

If Parky knows the route he seems reluctant to divulge it.
Has anyone come across any information regarding this 'alleged' route?
We need it for completion.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Steve,so do you think the girlfriends had anything to do with the killing? Or was LM simply a psychotic copy cat killer obsessed with satanism?

Probably the latter.

[snow66!]

Probably the latter.

Thanks Steve.
There is just so much that doesn't add up with Luke being a copy cat killer.The FBI profile even said he didn't fit the bill,he wasn't old enough.Besides,it doesn't make sense arranging to meet someone then killing them,that must be a first surely.Not what your typical serial killer does is it? Dont they usually attack strangers, not their lovers?
Why couldn't an experienced killer have murdered Jodi? He, or even she  [ do female serial killers exist?] He/she could have trayeled from anywhere in mid summer to the Edinburgh area,the city is brimming full at that time of year.
Stocky man could have been scouring the surrounding area for suitable ambush spots with his shoulder bag full of equipment.Including change of clothes and balaclave to keep him all but blood free for his getaway through the woods.After all,this is how LM allegedly escaped until he was spotted beside the gate.Stocky man could have slinked away without suspicion using any route of his choosing,no problem.

What about Luke,he didn't plan things very well if guilty,did he? Why did he wear his parka jacket if he knew there was a chance it would get blood stained? Why not wear something old and tatty that no one would remember about if he had to get rid of it? Why wear a cumbersome jacket at all for that matter if he intended to sprint home ASAP? None of it makes sense if LM was as clever as he is made out to be.

[snow66!]

Yes,all that Stocky man had to do was put his bloodied clothes in his shoulder bag and wander back to his
Travelodge at a leisurely pace and wash up.No association or link with the victim whatsoever,and unlikely to leave much DNA at the locus.

Luke on the other hand,oh dear,what a shambles.
First mistake,he knew his victim,better to attack an unknown stranger in a different neighbourhood.
Second mistake,he was the victims boyfriend and had arranged to meet her.Not an ideal situation for a would be serial killer.
Third mistake,everyone knew he was going to meet his victim.
Fourth mistake,he wore the clothes that everyone associated with him and caused suspicion when they disappeared.
Fifth mistake,he wasn't fast enough crossing the road on the way home and was seen.
Sixth mistake,for some reason he thought it best to lead a search party directly to the victim and describe things that could not possibly be seen.

What a silly laddie!

[snow66!]

One other point about stocky man being Restivo.

Like many others I presume,I found the damage to Jodi's tonsils particularly gruesome and weird.
It is worth remembering that part of the blame for triggering Restivo's killing spree was the trauma of a botched operation on his tonsils.
Could the damage to Jodi's tonsils have been a kind of signature?

Bubo has probably pointed this out this fact before,but I think it is worth mentioning again while we are re-examining the possibility of a visiting nutter to Dalkeith.

Another interesting fact that Dr Lean talks of is a botanist looking for'Malacca cane' at the crime scene.
And it seems no trees containing malacca wood was found at the locus.Now,Malacca cane' is a particularly hard wood similar to Rattan and is mainly used for making walking sticks including 'Sword Sticks'.That is,as you probably know,a walking stick with a concealed long bladed knife.

Was this what the police were considering when they [found??] traces of Malacca cane at the scene or on the victim?

A heavy Sword Stick would certainly fit the bill as the ideal murder weapon,capable of inflicting a severe brain contusion and also deep cuts to the tonsils.

And who would give a second glance to someone using a seemingly innocent walking aid? No one!
Yes,I agree with Bubo,and others, who think there is a very real possibility that an experienced serial killer visited Dalkeith that day.I dont think ANY of the suspects that have been put forward were capable of carrying out such an atrocity.

[Steve_uk]

One other point about stocky man being Restivo.

Like many others I presume,I found the damage to Jodi's tonsils particularly gruesome and weird.
It is worth remembering that part of the blame for triggering Restivo's killing spree was the trauma of a botched operation on his tonsils.
Could the damage to Jodi's tonsils have been a kind of signature?

Bubo has probably pointed this out this fact before,but I think it is worth mentioning again while we are re-examining the possibility of a visiting nutter to Dalkeith.

Another interesting fact that Dr Lean talks of is a botanist looking for'Malacca cane' at the crime scene.
And it seems no trees containing malacca wood was found at the locus.Now,Malacca cane' is a particularly hard wood similar to Rattan and is mainly used for making walking sticks including 'Sword Sticks'.That is,as you probably know,a walking stick with a concealed long bladed knife.

Was this what the police were considering when they [found??] traces of Malacca cane at the scene or on the victim?

A heavy Sword Stick would certainly fit the bill as the ideal murder weapon,capable of inflicting a severe brain contusion and also deep cuts to the tonsils.

And who would give a second glance to someone using a seemingly innocent walking aid? No one!
Yes,I agree with Bubo,and others, who think there is a very real possibility that an experienced serial killer visited Dalkeith that day.I dont think ANY of the suspects that have been put forward were capable of carrying out such an atrocity.

It's highly implausible that Restivo just happened to be in the area, when Mitchell and Jodi were in mobile telephone contact that afternoon. Aren't walking sticks the preserve of old men anyway? https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/restivo-danilo.htm

[snow66!]

It's highly implausible that Restivo just happened to be in the area, when Mitchell and Jodi were in mobile telephone contact that afternoon. Aren't walking sticks the preserve of old men anyway? https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/restivo-danilo.htm

Well,if the innocence team ever get the remaining DNA evidence tested we may find out if Restivo had anything to do with the crime Steve.The police had him under surveillance in mid 2003 too,so they may know where Restivo was on 30th June.
So,lets not rule hm out until we are sure.

[Bubo bubo]

Well,if the innocence team ever get the remaining DNA evidence tested we may find out if Restivo had anything to do with the crime Steve.The police had him under surveillance in mid 2003 too,so they may know where Restivo was on 30th June.
So,lets not rule hm out until we are sure.

I believe you are wrong about surveillance check the facts. Court evidence evidence outlined below.

The court heard the first operation lasted from March – June 2004 consisting of 57 days of surveillance in total in daytime hours.
Following events at Throop Mill in May of that year, where Restivo was observed watching women and found in possession of a knife, scissors and a change of clothes, it was increased due to “risk assessment”.

From June 16 for a period he was watched 24 hours. There was covert monitoring – bugging, in his house and car.

Another operation was carried out between October 2005 and August 2007 in which he was kept under observation by officers for a total of 147 days, mainly daytime hours.

[Bubo bubo]

It's highly implausible that Restivo just happened to be in the area, when Mitchell and Jodi were in mobile telephone contact that afternoon. Aren't walking sticks the preserve of old men anyway? https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/restivo-danilo.htm

On what scientific basis are you making this statement. If he was stalking JJ (his modus operandi) it was a case of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time as the saying goes and DR would be unaware of her on going communications with LM.

You make statements with no reasoning. We have no knowledge of his whereabouts on that day.

Restivo's conviction yesterday for Heather Barnett's murder brings to a close an extraordinary story, but many mysteries remain. Some observers are convinced that a compulsive, psychotic killer such as Restivo must have commited more murders between 1993 and 2002. Over the years he has been linked to many other deaths, particularly to a series of brutal murders in southern France and Spain. In September 1997 a young French-Algerian woman from Perpignan, Moktharia Chaib, was stabbed and her breasts, as well as other body parts, removed. Marie Hélène Gonzalez had, in 1998, been brutally mutilated, having disappeared in Perpignan. In 1999, in Puerto de Alcuida, Majorca, a British woman called Yvonne O'Brien was stabbed 40 times and one of her breasts was removed. On Easter Day 2003 a South Korean woman adopted by an Italian family, Erika Ansermin, disappeared. Her body has never been found but a photograph of her, downloaded from an Italian news channel, was found on Restivo's computer.

[Steve_uk]

On what scientific basis are you making this statement. If he was stalking JJ (his modus operandi) it was a case of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time as the saying goes and DR would be unaware of her on going communications with LM.

You make statements with no reasoning. We have no knowledge of his whereabouts on that day.

Restivo's conviction yesterday for Heather Barnett's murder brings to a close an extraordinary story, but many mysteries remain. Some observers are convinced that a compulsive, psychotic killer such as Restivo must have commited more murders between 1993 and 2002. Over the years he has been linked to many other deaths, particularly to a series of brutal murders in southern France and Spain. In September 1997 a young French-Algerian woman from Perpignan, Moktharia Chaib, was stabbed and her breasts, as well as other body parts, removed. Marie Hélène Gonzalez had, in 1998, been brutally mutilated, having disappeared in Perpignan. In 1999, in Puerto de Alcuida, Majorca, a British woman called Yvonne O'Brien was stabbed 40 times and one of her breasts was removed. On Easter Day 2003 a South Korean woman adopted by an Italian family, Erika Ansermin, disappeared. Her body has never been found but a photograph of her, downloaded from an Italian news channel, was found on Restivo's computer.

As far as I'm aware Jodi had been grounded for several days at least for ingesting weed. I'm not sure whether she was attending school and then returning straight home during that period or was housebound for the duration. It's a stretch to say Restivo was observing her throughout that time. Nobody came forward to say they had seen a stranger in the vicinity matching his description on the evening of 30 June 2003, unlike the Andrina Bryson sighting, for example.

[Bubo bubo]

As far as I'm aware Jodi had been grounded for several days at least for ingesting weed. I'm not sure whether she was attending school and then returning straight home during that period or was housebound for the duration. It's a stretch to say Restivo was observing her throughout that time. Nobody came forward to say they had seen a stranger in the vicinity matching his description on the evening of 30 June 2003, unlike the Andrina Bryson sighting, for example.

The same Andrina Bryson who incorrectly described the clothes that JJ was wearing. Her identification is rubbish. There was I believe a sighting of a man near the school standing by a car in the days leading up to the murder. Whoever that was could have followed her home and commenced to watch her behaviour. She could have been earmarked. DR was an accomplished stalker as any study of him would conclude. Dorset police have a video of him watching women while skulking in long grass. He worked in computing  and was able to falsify his work place records to show he was working when HB was murdered.
To say he was incapable of being a suspect is I suggest wishful thinking.
He was a cunning and well practiced psychotic killer and evaded capture for years.

I believe I am right in saying that she would have walked the path daily whilst attending school even if she was not seeing LM. It is possible she was accompanied by school friends on this walk.

[Steve_uk]

The same Andrina Bryson who incorrectly described the clothes that JJ was wearing. Her identification is rubbish. There was I believe a sighting of a man near the school standing by a car in the days leading up to the murder. Whoever that was could have followed her home and commenced to watch her behaviour. She could have been earmarked. DR was an accomplished stalker as any study of him would conclude. Dorset police have a video of him watching women while skulking in long grass. He worked in computing  and was able to falsify his work place records to show he was working when HB was murdered.
To say he was incapable of being a suspect is I suggest wishful thinking.
He was a cunning and well practiced psychotic killer and evaded capture for years.

I believe I am right in saying that she would have walked the path daily whilst attending school even if she was not seeing LM. It is possible she was accompanied by school friends on this walk.

It's a credible sighting. Danilo Restivo is hardly a character who blends into the landscape. How on earth could he have been stalking Jodi for a period of time, where would he have stayed and why did nobody come forward to place him in the environs? https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+Driver+saw+male+and+a+girl+near+site+where...-a0125465540

[snow66!]

I believe you are wrong about surveillance check the facts. Court evidence evidence outlined below.

The court heard the first operation lasted from March – June 2004 consisting of 57 days of surveillance in total in daytime hours.
Following events at Throop Mill in May of that year, where Restivo was observed watching women and found in possession of a knife, scissors and a change of clothes, it was increased due to “risk assessment”.

From June 16 for a period he was watched 24 hours. There was covert monitoring – bugging, in his house and car.

Another operation was carried out between October 2005 and August 2007 in which he was kept under observation by officers for a total of 147 days, mainly daytime hours.

Yes,you are right Bubo,it says..
                                      'Restivo was questioned by police in mid 2003 and released without charge'

No mention of surveillance at that time it seems.

[Bubo bubo]

It's a credible sighting. Danilo Restivo is hardly a character who blends into the landscape. How on earth could he have been stalking Jodi for a period of time, where would he have stayed and why did nobody come forward to place him in the environs? https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+Driver+saw+male+and+a+girl+near+site+where...-a0125465540

It is not a credible sighting. She completely describes clothing which is 100% different from that which JJ was wearing. Indeed she says she was wearing a blue hoody and did not see her face. JJ had an orange embroidered animal on THE BACK of a black hoody.

The area is often frequented by tourists and visitors so the sight of one man near the school might not have registered. People would visit the country park. A short distance from the school. Further people who live in relatively quiet peaceful areas are more inclined to ignore the fact that a serial killer was on the loose and to that extent they could only conceive it had to be someone local.

They feel safe and secure. They do not see strangers as malevolent beings waiting to do some dastardly deed like burglary or murder. They go about their lives feeling safe and secure and do not regard someone who they do not recognise as a suspicious character.

I live opposite a path that leads to a golf course and extensive woodlands. I see people enter the path all the time. I do not make a mental note of all and sundry. It is part of the natural flow and the landscape. There is a junior school round the corner and many students cross through the woods to attend an academy on the other side.

Your problem is Blind Faith Disease. You cannot open your mind to possibilities outside your own terms of reference as to how the world is.

Thus all police are righteous and upstanding. Police do not make mistakes. These beliefs you adhere to despite the fact that there is clear evidence to the contrary that this is not always the case.

[Steve_uk]

It is not a credible sighting. She completely describes clothing which is 100% different from that which JJ was wearing. Indeed she says she was wearing a blue hoody and did not see her face. JJ had an orange embroidered animal on THE BACK of a black hoody.

The area is often frequented by tourists and visitors so the sight of one man near the school might not have registered. People would visit the country park. A short distance from the school. Further people who live in relatively quiet peaceful areas are more inclined to ignore the fact that a serial killer was on the loose and to that extent they could only conceive it had to be someone local.

They feel safe and secure. They do not see strangers as malevolent beings waiting to do some dastardly deed like burglary or murder. They go about their lives feeling safe and secure and do not regard someone who they do not recognise as a suspicious character.

I live opposite a path that leads to a golf course and extensive woodlands. I see people enter the path all the time. I do not make a mental note of all and sundry. It is part of the natural flow and the landscape. There is a junior school round the corner and many students cross through the woods to attend an academy on the other side.

Your problem is Blind Faith Disease. You cannot open your mind to possibilities outside your own terms of reference as to how the world is.

Thus all police are righteous and upstanding. Police do not make mistakes. These beliefs you adhere to despite the fact that there is clear evidence to the contrary that this is not always the case.

I doubt Newbattle has much tourist activity. Why didn't the young couple come forward to eliminate themselves from a murder enquiry if it wasn't Jodi and Luke?