Confirmation June's bike was stolen.

[Adam]

No he would have walked how many more times Adam.

He wouldn't fancy walking.

If he could get a second hand bike & pay in cash, believe he would have bought one.

A pity this issue can't be a seperate thread. But out of my control.

[Rob_]

Thats what I have been trying to get across to Adam Rob,as soon as Bamber decided to use a bike for the murders he would have bought one.not waited till Sheila and the boys arrived and nicked June's one.
And as I said,according to Julie JB had decided to use a bike long before June spoke of buying one.And how could Bamber predict that June would buy a bike berore Sheila visited or even if she would end up buying one at all?

As Adam said himself Sheila AND the boys visiting the farm was a rare occasion,so JB wouldn't want to miss his chance for want of having a bike at hand ready to go.No way he would have depended on his mum buying one surely?

I agree Snow, all this so called planning? there was none apart from making sure everyone knew!

My belief is he would have walked/run could take a more direct route and much safer.

[Rob_]

He wouldn't fancy walking.

If he could get a second hand bike & pay in cash, believe he would have bought one.

A pity this issue can't be a seperate thread. But out of my control.

What do you mean he wouldn't fancy walking? He was going to kill five people walking is the least of his worries!

I believe not much slower than cycling anyway - it was dark remember!

[Adam]

I agree Snow, all this so called planning? there was none apart from making sure everyone knew!

My belief is he would have walked/run could take a more direct route and much safer.

The evidence is he cycled -

June's bike stolen 2 days before.

Julie's WS.

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[snow66!]

That is true.

Do you think Bamber would have bought a bike just before the massacre if June's was not available?

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That would have been a good new thread question.

But thats the point Adam,he didn't know WHEN the massacre would be in advance,he didn't know a date,he only HOPED that both Sheila and the boys would be visiting soon,so surely the bike would need to be bought ASAP in readiness.

[Rob_]

But thats the point Adam,he didn't know WHEN the massacre would be in advance,he didn't know a date,he only HOPED that both Sheila and the boys would be visiting soon,so surely the bike would need to be bought ASAP in readiness.

You may disagree Snow but to me the bike is a total red herring, average cycling speed in total darkness would be less than 10mph, he could force walk at 4mph and take a more direct route.

[Adam]

But thats the point Adam,he didn't know WHEN the massacre would be in advance,he didn't know a date,he only HOPED that both Sheila and the boys would be visiting soon,so surely the bike would need to be bought ASAP in readiness.

Not really. He could buy a bike a couple of days before.

Suspect he knew Sheila was visiting around a week beforehand.

[ILB]

The bike was brought for Julie

[Adam]

The bike was brought for Julie

🙂

[ILB]

🙂

I believe him

You don't

That's fair enough

[snow66!]

You may disagree Snow but to me the bike is a total red herring, average cycling speed in total darkness would be less than 10mph, he could force walk at 4mph and take a more direct route.

But the whole thing is Rob,we are being drawn into giving our opinion of how Bamber got to and from the farm.In reality we dont think Bamber was near the farm that night,so the whole JB scenario is a bit of a red herring really I suppose.

[snow66!]

I suppose from an innocent point of view a simple way of explaining things would be,the relatives invented the JB scenario and Julie was used a month later to confirm/endorse it as FACT in her witness statement.

Simple as that!
Julie was repeating what the relatives had decided to be the way JB carried out the crime.

[David1819]

Guess there won't be any confirmation. Misleading title.

[Adam]

Guess there won't be any confirmation. Misleading title.

Do you think Julie getting a taxi would have been more normal?

[ILB]

Bamber by his own admission told June and Nevill he was borrowing the bike.