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Offline Adam

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Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« on: April 06, 2023, 06:55:AM »
Google maps confirms the sea wall route passes no properties.

DI Wilkinson & Gunfire Graffiti confirm it has good terrain for cycling.

Rob & Lookout did not provide any evidence supporting their claim it was under repair in 1985. DI Wilkinson cycled the route shortly after the massacre & did not report any disrepair. . 

It could be cycled quickly going at a good pace. Although there is no evidence Bamber was in a big hurry.

Snow66!'s theory that Bamber may get a sore bottom is unlikely to deter him from cycling.

The sea wall is at the end of Pages Lane, Fish Street & next to where Bamber would farm. He would have known the route like the back of his hand from a young age.

Once on the sea wall it is impossible to get lost. As it is just a case of following it.

Bamber had the option of a night time trial run.

Everything seems in place for the perfect pre & post massacre 20 minute journey.

Or was it?
« Last Edit: April 06, 2023, 01:01:PM by Adam »
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2023, 06:56:AM »
There is some dispute whether the natural ambient light from outside darkness was sufficient for Bamber.

Rob & ILB saying he would not be able to see beyond his nose.

Other people saying the cycle ride would still be easy at night espescially as no trees or hedges would block ambient light.   

ILB confirms a light or torch (if walking) would resolve the issue.

Do people believe Bamber inserted a bicycle light for the journey?
« Last Edit: April 06, 2023, 01:02:PM by Adam »
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2023, 08:00:AM »
No he didn't use a bicycle or a light.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2023, 10:51:AM »
No he didn't use a bicycle or a light.

You said he could cycle with a bicycle light.

So why wouldn't he?
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2023, 10:54:AM »
Bamber living and working at WHF/Head Street will be well aware if he wanted a bicycle light.

This would have been bought weeks or months earlier. 

The bike arriving at his cottage just before the massacre was ready to go. With or without a light.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2023, 02:06:PM »
No form of transport was used. It was established ages ago that neither a car was heard/ used, nor a figure seen passing anywhere, cycling or walking. Another dismissal.

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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2023, 02:17:PM »
No form of transport was used. It was established ages ago that neither a car was heard/ used, nor a figure seen passing anywhere, cycling or walking. Another dismissal.

The sea wall route passed no properties.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2023, 02:36:PM »
The only reason the use of a bicycle came into the scene was through RWB when the use of a car was dismissed. After investigations for mud/blood and field-tracks that too was dismissed as not having been a viable mode of transport either plus no proof was found that it had been used.

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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2023, 03:32:PM »
The only reason the use of a bicycle came into the scene was through RWB when the use of a car was dismissed. After investigations for mud/blood and field-tracks that too was dismissed as not having been a viable mode of transport either plus no proof was found that it had been used.

They didn't dismiss the car Lookout, Bamber used his car that day to go to WHF both for work and later to meet police, as such, what could they expect to find?

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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2023, 05:43:PM »
The only reason the use of a bicycle came into the scene was through RWB when the use of a car was dismissed. After investigations for mud/blood and field-tracks that too was dismissed as not having been a viable mode of transport either plus no proof was found that it had been used.

The prosecution case is he cycled via the sea wall.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2023, 06:09:PM »
https://youtu.be/gx7y-in6ly4

22 minutes Bob Miller says he would have used the sea wall - 'wouldn't be seen in a million years'. Miller says a car is too risky.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2023, 06:12:PM by Adam »
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2023, 06:12:PM »
COA:

The prosecution case at trial was that the appellant, motivated by hatred and greed, had planned and carried out the killings.

Having left White House Farm at about 10 p.m. on Tuesday 6 August 1985 he had returned by bicycle (taking a route which avoided the main roads) in the early hours of the following morning.

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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2023, 06:14:PM »
Seems there is no question he cycled via the sea wall.

This thread is about whether he would use a bicycle light as ILB & Rob claim he would have to.

Or whether he knew the route well enough and there was enough ambient light outside.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2023, 07:03:PM »
DI Wilkinson's WS says the shortest practical route without using main roads is via the sea wall.

He may have felt a bicycle light was not needed. But got one anyway. Every little helps.
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Re: Did Bamber use a bicycle light?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2023, 09:07:PM »
If gulity he used his car

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