Alan George Dovey Statement - 20/03/2002

[Steve_uk]

So Steve, you say Jeremy didn't care about the welfare of the farm?

I presume that rabbits eat the crops and impact on the profits made by the farm?

This is surely why farmers shoot rabbits because they affect their livelihood, not because they are in any way dangerous?
As you insist Jeremy Bamber was a greedy person willing to kill the 5 closest relatives he had in the world to get his greedy fingers on the farm profits why would he not care about shooting rabbits and the welfare of the farm?
I would have thought in such a situation he would have seen the rabbits and all other crop eaters as very definitely 'the enemy'??

There's no corroboration of his story,as with many of the utterances from Jeremy's mouth.

[Caroline R]

There's no corroboration of his story,as with many of the utterances from Jeremy's mouth.

Errrrrrm, likewise with Julie's testimony - no corroboration just her desperation!!

[maggie]

There's no corroboration of his story,as with many of the utterances from Jeremy's mouth.

What's that's got to do with the price of fish, or vegetables?

[lookout]

It makes no difference whether he left it on the settle or by the Wellington boots. You know I think it was the programme about miscarriages which was the trigger:there was Sheila with two healthy children and his three children hadn't been born of Suzette Ford.

A tragic case,but Jeremy is guilty..http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1091.msg33705.html#msg33705

Steve,,I don't know how you can say that Jeremy's guilty when you haven't got the proof/evidence,,including forensic, to back that remark up.

I read his statement and found it flawless,,honest, and to the point in lots of ways.
Perhaps if he'd lied through his teeth like your friend did,,he'd have been better thought of. It would seem that way to me,,that honesty is no longer the best policy.

[Jane]

It makes no difference whether he left it on the settle or by the Wellington boots. You know I think it was the programme about miscarriages which was the trigger:there was Sheila with two healthy children and his three children hadn't been born of Suzette Ford.

A tragic case,but Jeremy is guilty..http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1091.msg33705.html#msg33705

I wish you'd pick a subject and stick to it. What the hell have miscarriages to do with gun/Wellie boots/settles.......................but whilst you mention it please explain how a plan of a year's making, which according to you would have been set in motion earlier that day, is TRIGGERED by ANY programe.........and whilst you're about it, please find me another young man of his class and age who lands themselves with wife/girlfriend/children much before they reach 30.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,I don't know how you can say that Jeremy's guilty when you haven't got the proof/evidence,,including forensic, to back that remark up.

I read his statement and found it flawless,,honest, and to the point in lots of ways.
Perhaps if he'd lied through his teeth like your friend did,,he'd have been better thought of. It would seem that way to me,,that honesty is no longer the best policy.

Wasn't there a conversation between Jeremy and Julie after the Police had left when Julie says "oh the Police were so nice today" and Jeremy counters with his wily remark about knowing what the Police were up to,in an attempt to lull him into a false sense of security. Jeremy knew full well he was in it up to his neck;it's why he tried to get Ann Eaton onside pre-murders and why he stuck to his maxim "it's important to tell the truth wherever possible".

[susan]

Hi lookout  you are forgetting Julie told him Jeremy was guilty and Jeremy was quite an awful person who hated his parents and hated farming and loved the high life need I go on everything he says was told to him by Julie you don't need evidence when you have Julie and her side kick of a cop.

[Caroline R]

I prefer to take Julie's version of events:that it was Jeremy who broached the subject of fostering that night to provoke Sheila,that Sheila may have retaliated in some way verbally and later wrote "I didn't mean to be horrible to Jeremy" in her diary,that Jeremy hired a proxy killer(who was really Jeremy in a balaclava) who made a telephone call from White House to his answerphone at Goldhanger,that Jeremy had lost control of himself somewhat that night and given Nevill more of a thrashing than he intended,but "the old man put up a good fight..".

We know Julie is telling the truth because she relates the bit about a glove coming off in the fight with Nevill,which none of the newspapers reported at the time. Jeremy didn't want a combination of his and Nevill's fingerprints on the murder weapon so they all had to be removed,to be replaced by a solitary fingerprint of Sheila's and a couple of Jeremy's,whereas if Jeremy had been shooting rabbits his fingerprints should have been all over that gun.along with more of Sheila's,who would not have wiped the gun in a state of paranoid psychosis.

Absolute rubbish!! There were other prints on the weapon just not clear enough for analysis as you would expect - it wasn't wiped!! But you're changing the subject again!!

I wonder why Jones didn't ask Julie to tape Jeremy in one of his many confessions to her? You don't seem to want to comment on that?

[Caroline R]

Wasn't there a conversation between Jeremy and Julie after the Police had left when Julie says "oh the Police were so nice today" and Jeremy counters with his wily remark about knowing what the Police were up to,in an attempt to lull him into a false sense of security. Jeremy knew full well he was in it up to his neck;it's why he tried to get Ann Eaton onside pre-murders and why he stuck to his maxim "it's important to tell the truth wherever possible".

Yes, he was so cunning he let AE and the rest of them have the keys to the murder scene 

[Jane]

There's no corroboration of his story,as with many of the utterances from Jeremy's mouth.

Well, given that MOST of what he's supposed to have said comes out of Julie's mouth, where's ther corroboration for that.

[susan]

HI girlies Jeremy was wearing a balaclava so why go to the trouble of the false tan so he would not be seen in the dark what a specimen he would look in the wet suit balaclava one marigold a ladies bike peddling like the clappers in the middle of the night covered in blood hey ho no forensic on the bike or Jeremy or the wet suit.  How does Julie know a glove came off was she there perhaps she was in on it.

[Steve_uk]

Absolute rubbish!! There were other prints on the weapon just not clear enough for analysis as you would expect - it wasn't wiped!! But you're changing the subject again!!

I wonder why Jones didn't ask Julie to tape Jeremy in one of his many confessions to her? You don't seem to want to comment on that?

He never did directly confess,but dropped the following hints:

1) The hitman story with the £2000 pay off.
2)A glove came off in the fight with Nevill.
3)"I'm the only one who knows what happened that night"
4) "So I either stay with you or confess to Essex Police".
5) "I don't feel anything for any of them..maybe there is something wrong with me.."

This was in addition to his expressed loathing of his parents to Julie,his contemplation over months how and if he could bring himself to do it,his speculation to Charles Marsden about the Farm burning down..

[Steve_uk]

I wish you'd pick a subject and stick to it. What the hell have miscarriages to do with gun/Wellie boots/settles.......................but whilst you mention it please explain how a plan of a year's making, which according to you would have been set in motion earlier that day, is TRIGGERED by ANY programe.........and whilst you're about it, please find me another young man of his class and age who lands themselves with wife/girlfriend/children much before they reach 30.

Didn't Suzette have other children who called Jeremy "Uncle"? I think Jeremy speculated about murder but deep down thought he wouldn't be capable of it. Quite often the most dangerous men are those who have their masculinity challenged as has been discussed on this forum today. Jeremy was unsure himself in the first telephone call: "Tonight's the night",but why not Sunday or Monday night? The answer lies in Jeremy's watching the routine of the family those first two nights,seeing what a state Sheila is in and knowing she would be putty in his hands..

[lookout]

HI girlies Jeremy was wearing a balaclava so why go to the trouble of the false tan so he would not be seen in the dark what a specimen he would look in the wet suit balaclava one marigold a ladies bike peddling like the clappers in the middle of the night covered in blood hey ho no forensic on the bike or Jeremy or the wet suit.  How does Julie know a glove came off was she there perhaps she was in on it.

" In on it ",Susan. I actually thought that she'd done it,all those years ago.

[Alias]

Didn't Suzette have other children who called Jeremy "Uncle"? I think Jeremy speculated about murder but deep down thought he wouldn't be capable of it. Quite often the most dangerous men are those who have their masculinity challenged as has been discussed on this forum today. Jeremy was unsure himself in the first telephone call: "Tonight's the night",but why not Sunday or Monday night? The answer lies in Jeremy's watching the routine of the family those first two nights,seeing what a state Sheila is in and knowing she would be putty in his hands..

I think even you can see this makes little sense. No one lets themselves be killed without resistance, especially not a young mother. All you have come up with tonight is contradictory, illogical, highly speculative and improbable.