Why The CCRC Will Refute/Reject Recent Claims About Marks On Nevill's Back

[Hardy Boy]

No he was experimenting. A scientific as opposed to a hypothetic/thinking process.

Like i said, he was Hypothesising...................................When conducting scientific experiments, researchers develop hypotheses to guide experimental design. A hypothesis is a suggested explanation that is both testable and falsifiable. You must be able to test your hypothesis, and it must be possible to prove your hypothesis true or false.

[Hardy Boy]

Very true Bubo,very true!
An experiment that produced results!

Like i Said Snow,  he was hypothesising...............

When conducting scientific experiments, researchers develop hypotheses to guide experimental design. A hypothesis is a suggested explanation that is both testable and falsifiable. You must be able to test your hypothesis, and it must be possible to prove your hypothesis true or false.

[Jane]

Like i said, he was Hypothesising...................................When conducting scientific experiments, researchers develop hypotheses to guide experimental design. A hypothesis is a suggested explanation that is both testable and falsifiable. You must be able to test your hypothesis, and it must be possible to prove your hypothesis true or false.

It must also take place in like for like conditions for it to mean anything conclusive.

[Bubo bubo]

Like i said, he was Hypothesising...................................When conducting scientific experiments, researchers develop hypotheses to guide experimental design. A hypothesis is a suggested explanation that is both testable and falsifiable. You must be able to test your hypothesis, and it must be possible to prove your hypothesis true or false.

He had already hypothesised. Without the experiment which guilt supporters seek to trash we would not know his thoughts. The fact that he sought to test his hypothesis counters some guilters stance that he was   and is a Bamber supporter doing Quasi experiments that are of no value.

[Bubo bubo]

It must also take place in like for like conditions for it to mean anything conclusive.

It seemed a good experiment to me. He used a matching AGA including fuel source. Can you tell me a more suitable alternative to the pig skin. This is widely used in experiments as the best alternative to a human body.

[Jane]

It seemed a good experiment to me. He used a matching AGA including fuel source. Can you tell me a more suitable alternative to the pig skin. This is widely used in experiments as the best alternative to a human body.

How did he know how hot the Bamber GA was? Was not the one he used on full heat? If he was trying to replicate the marks on Nevill, he failed.

[snow66!]

It would greatly increase it's power if it was peer reviewed by other scientists and they agreed with him.

No doubt Bubo,no doubt!

[Bubo bubo]

How did he know how hot the Bamber GA was? Was not the one he used on full heat? If he was trying to replicate the marks on Nevill, he failed.

You forget that this is a video clip. The experiment could have been repeated over several days and using different temperatures and different body positions .

[snow66!]

Like i Said Snow,  he was hypothesising...............

When conducting scientific experiments, researchers develop hypotheses to guide experimental design. A hypothesis is a suggested explanation that is both testable and falsifiable. You must be able to test your hypothesis, and it must be possible to prove your hypothesis true or false.

Hasn't he proved his hypothesis to a fair degree HB? So much so that his findings have been included in the CCRC submission?

[Hardy Boy]

Hasn't he proved his hypothesis to a fair degree HB? So much so that his findings have been included in the CCRC submission?

Like i Said Snow,  he was hypothesising...............supposition or proposed explanation for further investigation, correct it's been included in the CCRC for further investigation?  Its a starting point but not been proved yet in other words

[Zoso]

You forget that this is a video clip. The experiment could have been repeated over several days and using different temperatures and different body positions .

That being the case, he'd have presented his best findings, not something that proves nothing.

[Hardy Boy]

This last sentence is true. However the CCRC were not aware at that time of the source of NB's burns. Further it was not the TFG who moved him. That was done by others cleaning up the crime scene. to cover the mistakes they had made.

Dr Craig arrived at WHF at 8.25am,   Dr Craig said the first person he looked at was Neville on the stool and his head just above the coal scuttle he certified Neville dead at 8.40am.  Who went in and moved Neville prior to Dr Craig Arriving, the TFG went in at 7.30 am, 

Who was the clean up team that went in before DR Craig arrived to certify Neville Bamber dead sat on the stool in the Kitchen?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1187.0;attach=19486;image

[snow66!]

That being the case, he'd have presented his best findings, not something that proves nothing.

I was watching the Boyce video again Zoso,for the umpteenth time actually,and I paused it to look at the handle.
Now this is more a question for Jane,is the handle perfectly formed with no imperfections?
I presume the handle would have been cast and then coated with something as Bubo suggested.
Anyway,a small imperfection in the casting,eg,.a small dip may explain why the center of the top mark wasn't burned.
Another possibility may be,if Nevills head was tilted back it may have caused a crease which would explain the lip shaped burn.
Or as Bubo says,part of the coating may have been erroded.
Can you help at all Jane? Any imperfections on your handle?

[Jane]

I was watching the Boyce video again Zoso,for the umpteenth time actually,and I paused it to look at the handle.
Now this is more a question for Jane,is the handle perfectly formed with no imperfections?
I presume the handle would have been cast and then coated with something as Bubo suggested.
Anyway,a small imperfection in the casting,eg,.a small dip may explain why the center of the top mark wasn't burned.
Another possibility may be,if Nevills head was tilted back it may have caused a crease which would explain the lip shaped burn.
Or as Bubo says,part of the coating may have been erroded.
Can you help at all Jane? Any imperfections on your handle?

Did BooBoo actually claim there was routine cladding to handles prior to them being released, or did he say it was possible to coat them? In the 35 years since ours has been installed, nothing has been done to the handle. I'll give you this, there's not many more "maybe's" you can apply to poor Nevill's body to try to prove the AGA made burns.

[Hardy Boy]

I was watching the Boyce video again Zoso,for the umpteenth time actually,and I paused it to look at the handle.
Now this is more a question for Jane,is the handle perfectly formed with no imperfections?
I presume the handle would have been cast and then coated with something as Bubo suggested.
Anyway,a small imperfection in the casting,eg,.a small dip may explain why the center of the top mark wasn't burned.
Another possibility may be,if Nevills head was tilted back it may have caused a crease which would explain the lip shaped burn.
Or as Bubo says,part of the coating may have been erroded.
Can you help at all Jane? Any imperfections on your handle?

I put a replacement handle up for purchase,  no mention of any heat resistant coating, just chrome Handle?