Disturbing new Evidence - police show Jeremy photo' of mothers body in kitchen

[mike tesko]

How bizarre that PC Collins should say that the woman's body he saw in the kitchen, was that of June Bamber, yet there is no mention anywhere at all in any police log or transmission that the body of June Bamber had been seen at all in the kitchen - the only references were to that of a dead female body...

How did PC Collins know June Bamber before he entered the farmhouse, to arrive at the conclusion before he set foot in the house, that the female body he could see behind the kitchen door was that of June?

[mike tesko]

how could pc collins say that it was june he saw when he looked through the window? he didnt know what she looked like.

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I will be posting the actual statement he made very soon, to confirm what I am talking about, but I agree - how would PC Collins have known what June Bamber looked like, before the police even set foot inside the kitchen?

[grahameb]

I wish you wouldn't do this, Mike. Poor June. And who helped her, the action man?

Bit difficult to shoot herself from a few feet away? The shot to her head apparently was not a contact shot. Also it would make nonsense of Ralph's alleged phonecall to Jeremy.

[mike tesko]

how could pc collins say that it was june he saw when he looked through the window? he didnt know what she looked like.

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I will be posting the actual statement he made very soon, to confirm what I am talking about, but I agree - how would PC Collins have known what June Bamber looked like, before the police even set foot inside the kitchen?

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Furthermore, by 7:45am, police were confirming that two bodies had been found downstairs, one dead male and one dead female, one a murder and the other a suicide - yet clearly, June Bamber did not and could not have committed suicide, so why did PC Collins choose to say that the female body he thought he had seen in the kitchen behind the door was the body of June Bamber?

The only female body he could have seen in the kitchen behind a door was that of Sheila caffell, who the police initially thought was Sheila, who had committed suicide...

[andrea]

so if this female body was june, where was sheila ?

pc collins is mistaken, sheila had her hair cut not long before the murders, he could have mistook sheila for june?

this is all getting a bit too much now, first it was sheila and now june, i still think it was sheila in the kitchen, june was found dead upstairs, and by the looks of it she had died where she fell, look at the marks on junes legs.

[shaman]

How could she have shot herself so many times? It seems inconceivable really. 

[shonapugs]

June was originally shot in her bed.

[mike tesko]

I wish you wouldn't do this, Mike. Poor June. And who helped her, the action man?

Bit difficult to shoot herself from a few feet away? The shot to her head apparently was not a contact shot. Also it would make nonsense of Ralph's alleged phonecall to Jeremy.

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The long distance shot is a good point, and highlights that June could not have committed suicide, and therefore she could not have been the female body that police reportedly found upon entry to the kitchen, which was by 7:45am, being described to all and sundry as a suicide?

However...

Jeremy did tell the police during one of his police interviews that his father may have said "She has got the gun" as opposed to "Sheila's got the gun", and if that was or is the case, Ralph's reference to "She has got the gun" could have been a reference to June Bamber, and not to Sheila Caffell?

In my opinion...

[andrea]

yes but before that ralph said " sheilas gone crazy" and has got the gun.

[andrea]

yes but before that ralph said " sheilas gone crazy" and has got the gun.

he didnt mention june during that call

[Alias]

you were right abs its the pic of june on the sideboard, youre such a tinker mike 

and its certainly not disturbing.

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Oh, but it is disturbing...

(1) Because June Bamber was not her normal self by the evening of Tuesday, 6th August 1985, as witnessed by one of her closest friends, who made a witness statement to Essex police saying that she noticed June was not her normal self, and when I asked her what was the matter? June snapped at her and said words to the effect "you don't know what I have got to put up with"?

(2) so upset and disturbed was June Bamber, that she didn't turn up for her weekly bible class...

(3) PC Collins, claimed that he looked through the kitchen window just prior to the raid team forcing its way into the farmhouse, when he reported seeing the body of a female, who he identified at that stage as non other than "June Bamber"...

(4) At least one early news report published in one of the national newspapers, reported that Mrs June Bamber had gone berserk and killed three generations of her family...

(5) Mrs Bamber had a history of mental illness, and was capable of handling guns, etc...

(6) Police failed to take any hand swabs from June Bamber to establish whether or not, she had loaded any bullets into the gun that supposedly fired all the shots that killed everyone...

(7) the position of June Bambers photograph so close to where the box of bullets was tipped out onto the kitchen worktop, was to say the least very ominous...

Isn´t it the other way round? Nothing ominous about the photo of June being there - looks like something most people have in one way or another, and it looks like it had been there for a long time.
What seems ominous to me are the BULLETS being there among everyday items and kids´ toys!

[mike tesko]

so if this female body was june, where was sheila ?

pc collins is mistaken, sheila had her hair cut not long before the murders, he could have mistook sheila for june?

this is all getting a bit too much now, first it was sheila and now june, i still think it was sheila in the kitchen, june was found dead upstairs, and by the looks of it she had died where she fell, look at the marks on junes legs.

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I agree, but the point I am trying to make is that PC Collins explanation that the female body he thought was June Bamber in the Kitchen could not possibly have been June Bamber, and if Junes body was found in the bedroom after police eventually gained entry, PC Collins would not be making a witness statement weeks later saying the female body he saw in the kitchen behind the door was June Bamber, because he would have known by that stage, or at the very least from the point he saw Junes body in the bedroom, that the female body he saw in the kitchen behind the door could not possibly have been June - so why make a statement weeks later saying it was?

[andrea]

well yes its strange that he made a statement saying it was june, is the statement on here or are you uploading it mike?

[andrea]

was it collins along with delgado who questioned the position of sheilas body along with the bible?

[shaman]

I will admit I am very new to this forum and this case and the thought of the mother doing it did cross my mind as we all know that some fundamentalist believers in religion are capable of doing awful things under the pretense of god, The reasons I thought this was June's firm religious beliefs and the bible next to Shelia, but I really don't see this one being like that. The wounds speak for themselves in my humble opinion.