End of the road ?

[Rob_]

I'm beginning to agree with you on the death penalty lookout. It seems the sixties generation and thereafter took their rights without considering the responsibilities which accompanied them.

If JB was facing the death penalty which would need a unanimous verdict he would not have been convicted.

[Steve_uk]

I agree with you on this point Steve.

None of us are privy to the exact going on between the core family unit

Nevill June Shelia Jeremy

I believe Shelia had an easier ride. Jeremy was expected to do well. To be honest I think nevill wanted to self teach him. I don't see anything other that an agricultural degree is what he wanted for Jeremy. Maybe a business course. That would be needed for his career ( farmer)

I think nevill perhaps thought in time Jeremy would be mature enough to take over. He let him find his feet though. I'm guessing nevill funded the Australia NZ trips,

I have never seen anybody say a bad word about Mr Bamber senior.

He did but they were loans. Nevill was renovating Granny Bamber's house in Surrey and took out a bank loan. Jeremy crashed his car and expected a replacement. June was writing out personal cheques to fund her son's nocturnal escapades in London's West End, over and above the salary he was drawing as a farmer.

[Steve_uk]

If JB was facing the death penalty which would need a unanimous verdict he would not have been convicted.

That's a fair point Rob.

[lookout]

I'm beginning to agree with you on the death penalty lookout. It seems the sixties generation and thereafter took their rights without considering the responsibilities which accompanied them.

I know I'm right Steve. These murders can't continue. Get the police on the streets, never mind about whizzing around in cars. They're not doing their jobs at all.

 I would volunteer to give the injections to murderers, I'd have no qualms whatsoever about sticking the needle in. They need a taste of their own medicine, not a slapped wrist and freedom after a few years------to murder again, because they will and they do ! Under 21's who offend, let them sweat in a death-row situation, knowing that they'll lose their lives too. The public are fed up with the crime that exists.

[snow66!]

I don't know anything about prison life ILB. However I do know about adults setting high expectations for me, which fortunately I was able to fulfil. I still say he lived under the weight of expectation for so many years, given away at birth so a detachment disorder straightaway, then failing to bond with June, then being sent away at eight years old to company he felt inferior to. I'm not excusing his heinous crimes for one moment, just trying to understand why he was bent on the course his life took.

So,are you saying that you can turn into a psychopath because of negative life experiences Steve?Isnt it simply due to a chemical imbalance of the brain?

[lookout]

If JB was facing the death penalty which would need a unanimous verdict he would not have been convicted.

Yes, of course, it would have had to be a unanimous decision.

In that such case, a re-trial would have to be arranged.

[Steve_uk]

So,are you saying that you can turn into a psychopath because of negative life experiences Steve?Isnt it simply due to a chemical imbalance of the brain?

I think there's a whole chain of events which starts in early life with a sense of inadequacy or detachment. It's why statistically adoptees commit far more murders than birth children. The pressure mounts during adolscence, which is why drug-taking is such a huge market in 2022. A tiny minority will resort to murder as release.

[lookout]

Environment and parenting----whether adopted or not, play a huge part in a child's life.
Stability, which is lacking today, along with respect is all about a child's environment and upbringing.
Society now has a lot to answer for with all the feral kids that are around as well as a dictatorial government telling you how to bring up your children. Honestly !
Since when has it been right that youths not only hit their parents, but the teachers too ? It goes on !


It was Sheila who got the dirty end of the stick, not Jeremy. Sheila resented June for many reasons.

[ILB]

He did but they were loans. Nevill was renovating Granny Bamber's house in Surrey and took out a bank loan. Jeremy crashed his car and expected a replacement. June was writing out personal cheques to fund her son's nocturnal escapades in London's West End, over and above the salary he was drawing as a farmer.

The point I'm making is. Were they loans in the parental sense that Jeremy " promised dad he would pay him back "

Nevill probably knew he would not see the money back if ever. Not detrimental to nevill he was wealthy

Parents have been doing this for children since Moses was in a basket

[lookout]

I doubt that any repayments came forthwith from either sibling, not forgetting that Colin hadn't offered to pay back whatever the driving lessons and car cost.

[ILB]

Jeremy passed his driving test young I think.

Going by CAL

[ILB]

But lookout I agree with you.

[Steve_uk]

The point I'm making is. Were they loans in the parental sense that Jeremy " promised dad he would pay him back "

Nevill probably knew he would not see the money back if ever. Not detrimental to nevill he was wealthy

Parents have been doing this for children since Moses was in a basket

This is one area that remains unclear from the books written on the case, though CAL claims Nevill loaned his son money, and June sent return plane tickets. By anyone's standards Nevill and June had huge bank balances, yet Nevill is said to have been worrying about renovating Clifton House after Granny Bamber died. He complained to Barbara Wilson that his offspring were costing him money. He might well have decided to put his foot down with Jeremy, just at the time June was planning an annual allowance for Sheila. Of course this is no excuse for the events which followed.

[ILB]

This is one area that remains unclear from the books written on the case, though CAL claims Nevill loaned his son money, and June sent return plane tickets. By anyone's standards Nevill and June had huge bank balances, yet Nevill is said to have been worrying about renovating Clifton House after Granny Bamber died. He complained to Barbara Wilson that his offspring were costing him money. He might well have decided to put his foot down with Jeremy, just at the time June was planning an annual allowance for Sheila. Of course this is no excuse for the events which followed.

I believe that Shelia caused more trouble for them in their adolsence between the two. Wrong for me to say this as Shelia was unwell and you can't hold that against her

Bamber seems less troublesome. Troublesome to a degree ref sue ford, lack of ambition. Perhaps I want this car, I want that mum, I want this dad

In fairness, kids have been spoilt for years.

[lookout]

Yet Nevill bought a large piece of land to help the Eaton's out ? So I don't believe it was just Sheila and Jeremy who were draining him. Why was this land such a mystery that Nevill's nearest and dearest hadn't known about ?