End of the road ?

[lookout]

If psychiatrists/psychologists/ prison officers etc etc haven't admitted that JB is a psychopath then they're not fit to be in any employment !

[ILB]

In all the time in long lartin I never saw Jeremy Bamber lose his temper once.

I know a man with a temper. He doesn't have one. He isn't quick to anger.


I lost mine very often. It's a highly stressful environment

[Steve_uk]

What I have noticed about Bamber that many of the company he kept close friends wise were people older than himself.

Brett Collins, Malcolm deckers, waters, sue ford.

I am not privy to Jeremy's friend group in 1985 but he doesn't seem to have any particular friends close to own age group

Reference prison. By the time I'd met him he had been in for eight years. So would have been an old hand in many respects. I think from what I have heard from people who I know who have served time with him before long lartin is that he took to prison like a duck out of water.

Take guilt or innocence out of the equation Jeremy Bamber is a strong character. No one can disagree with that.

That's an intersting observation about having older friends. Maybe he was more shaken up with the Julie rejection than he cared to admit. Re: incarceration. If you've been farming 200 acres of White House Farm you're unlikely to take to watering plants in the prison parterre.

[Steve_uk]

In all the time in long lartin I never saw Jeremy Bamber lose his temper once.

I know a man with a temper. He doesn't have one. He isn't quick to anger.


I lost mine very often. It's a highly stressful environment

He had to psyche himself up by strangling rats. But it's unforgivable to shoot two six-year-old boys through the head whilst they are sleeping, not to mention their mother and grandparents. I'm really at a loss to know how to deal with such people, and whether rehabilitation can or should be attempted.

[ILB]

He had to psyche himself up by strangling rats. But it's unforgivable to shoot two six-year-old boys through the head whilst they are sleeping, not to mention their mother and grandparents. I'm really at a loss to know how to deal with such people, and whether rehabilitation can or should be attempted.

Steve, you would disbelieve me if I told you he always seemed happy. He was always smiling

If I was in his position I would have been driven to the brink of despair. And I'm not a wilting violet

It was not long after I met him he got informed he'd been upgraded to whole life as well

[Rob_]

He had to psyche himself up by strangling rats. But it's unforgivable to shoot two six-year-old boys through the head whilst they are sleeping, not to mention their mother and grandparents. I'm really at a loss to know how to deal with such people, and whether rehabilitation can or should be attempted.

Thanks Steve this always makes me laugh.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, you would disbelieve me if I told you he always seemed happy. He was always smiling

If I was in his position I would have been driven to the brink of despair. And I'm not a wilting violet

It was not long after I met him he got informed he'd been upgraded to whole life as well

This is because the stress is off him now, the stress of having to perform, to fulfil somebody else's ambitions. I was lucky in that I was able to live up to mine and didn't put so much pressure on myself at the time. I've just watched a YouTube video on the Kimberley Cates murder, instigated by teenage New Hampshire dropouts, who couldn't live up to parental expectations. Steven Spader was the ringleader and an adoptee.

[Steve_uk]

This is because the stress is off him now, the stress of having to perform, to fulfil somebody else's ambitions. I was lucky in that I was able to live up to mine and didn't put so much pressure on myself at the time. I've just watched a YouTube video on the Kimberley Cates murder, instigated by teenage New Hampshire dropouts, who couldn't live up to parental expectations. Steven Spader was the ringleader and an adoptee.

To escape from the prison of White House Farm it was necessary to kill the prison guards.

[Rob_]

This is because the stress is off him now, the stress of having to perform, to fulfil somebody else's ambitions. I was lucky in that I was able to live up to mine and didn't put so much pressure on myself at the time. I've just watched a YouTube video on the Kimberley Cates murder, instigated by teenage New Hampshire dropouts, who couldn't live up to parental expectations. Steven Spader was the ringleader and an adoptee.

Stress Steve? what stress did JB have compared to the average person? being in prison would I thought have been far more stressful?

[ILB]

This is because the stress is off him now, the stress of having to perform, to fulfil somebody else's ambitions. I was lucky in that I was able to live up to mine and didn't put so much pressure on myself at the time. I've just watched a YouTube video on the Kimberley Cates murder, instigated by teenage New Hampshire dropouts, who couldn't live up to parental expectations. Steven Spader was the ringleader and an adoptee.

I know the case Steve horrific. Gribble is a monster

[ILB]

This is because the stress is off him now, the stress of having to perform, to fulfil somebody else's ambitions. I was lucky in that I was able to live up to mine and didn't put so much pressure on myself at the time. I've just watched a YouTube video on the Kimberley Cates murder, instigated by teenage New Hampshire dropouts, who couldn't live up to parental expectations. Steven Spader was the ringleader and an adoptee.

Steve

Jeremy Bamber is a category A prisoner

He has a whole life tariff. An effective death sentence.

He isn't stress free trust me

[lookout]

There have been some of the most heinous of crimes committed over the years and to date are getting worse, with sentencing being reduced.
 Only the death penalty will end it all and it's just tuff if it's the wrong person. This is how immune the public have become when we read about such crimes, one crime follows another without any sort of a deterrent that we're programmed to expect each crime to be worse than the previous one.

There have been some horror stories of late involving children/babies and you have to ask yourself will the murderers be missed. The answer SHOULD be NO, if you're an honest person. Never mind about human rights etc , they should be scrapped along with mental issues as both are abused in some way and an easy get out. 

Would this case have been discussed if JB had had a lethal injection ? NO. So why is it being discussed ?
 I'm sure the extended family wouldn't have missed him, in fact they'd have been delighted.

[Steve_uk]

Steve

Jeremy Bamber is a category A prisoner

He has a whole life tariff. An effective death sentence.

He isn't stress free trust me

I don't know anything about prison life ILB. However I do know about adults setting high expectations for me, which fortunately I was able to fulfil. I still say he lived under the weight of expectation for so many years, given away at birth so a detachment disorder straightaway, then failing to bond with June, then being sent away at eight years old to company he felt inferior to. I'm not excusing his heinous crimes for one moment, just trying to understand why he was bent on the course his life took.

[Steve_uk]

There have been some of the most heinous of crimes committed over the years and to date are getting worse, with sentencing being reduced.
 Only the death penalty will end it all and it's just tuff if it's the wrong person. This is how immune the public have become when we read about such crimes, one crime follows another without any sort of a deterrent that we're programmed to expect each crime to be worse than the previous one.

There have been some horror stories of late involving children/babies and you have to ask yourself will the murderers be missed. The answer SHOULD be NO, if you're an honest person. Never mind about human rights etc , they should be scrapped along with mental issues as both are abused in some way and an easy get out. 

Would this case have been discussed if JB had had a lethal injection ? NO. So why is it being discussed ?
 I'm sure the extended family wouldn't have missed him, in fact they'd have been delighted.

I'm beginning to agree with you on the death penalty lookout. It seems the sixties generation and thereafter took their rights without considering the responsibilities which accompanied them.

[ILB]

I don't know anything about prison life ILB. However I do know about adults setting high expectations for me, which fortunately I was able to fulfil. I still say he lived under the weight of expectation for so many years, given away at birth so a detachment disorder straightaway, then failing to bond with June, then being sent away at eight years old to company he felt inferior to. I'm not excusing his heinous crimes for one moment, just trying to understand why he was bent on the course his life took.

I agree with you on this point Steve.

None of us are privy to the exact going on between the core family unit

Nevill June Shelia Jeremy

I believe Shelia had an easier ride. Jeremy was expected to do well. To be honest I think nevill wanted to self teach him. I don't see anything other that an agricultural degree is what he wanted for Jeremy. Maybe a business course. That would be needed for his career ( farmer)

I think nevill perhaps thought in time Jeremy would be mature enough to take over. He let him find his feet though. I'm guessing nevill funded the Australia NZ trips,

I have never seen anybody say a bad word about Mr Bamber senior.