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Offline lookout

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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2022, 05:50:PM »
Lookout has no knowledge of the case. She supports Bamber because of a gut feeling in 1985.

The police knew nothing about Julie's other minor crimes before she approached them.





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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2022, 05:57:PM »
Police knew about JM's crimes, but turned a blind eye. By law, you're supposed to disclose previous wrongdoings before being a witness for the prosecution, so both JM and EP were TOTALLY in the WRONG about not disclosing her previous crimes !!

By not disclosing is tantamount to having a grudge against the defendent thus creating a fraudulent trial.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2022, 06:06:PM »
Police knew about JM's crimes, but turned a blind eye. By law, you're supposed to disclose previous wrongdoings before being a witness for the prosecution, so both JM and EP were TOTALLY in the WRONG about not disclosing her previous crimes !!

By not disclosing is tantamount to having a grudge against the defendent thus creating a fraudulent trial.


But she did disclose them, Lookout, or we wouldn't know that it had been decided not to prosecute her. Thing is, had they prosecuted, it would have become known that all her crimes were linked to JB and that, on top of the murder charge, would have given further insight to his character and wouldn't have looked good.

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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2022, 06:07:PM »
Police knew about JM's crimes, but turned a blind eye. By law, you're supposed to disclose previous wrongdoings before being a witness for the prosecution, so both JM and EP were TOTALLY in the WRONG about not disclosing her previous crimes !!

By not disclosing is tantamount to having a grudge against the defendent thus creating a fraudulent trial.

Wasn't aware that witnesses in a trial have to disclose a crime that was nothing to do with the massacre. Which she had not been prosecuted for.
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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2022, 08:38:PM »

But she did disclose them, Lookout, or we wouldn't know that it had been decided not to prosecute her. Thing is, had they prosecuted, it would have become known that all her crimes were linked to JB and that, on top of the murder charge, would have given further insight to his character and wouldn't have looked good.





Jane she may have told EP, but the court didn't know and whether Arlidge knew we don't know, but I know one thing that past crimes have to be divulged before you can become a prosecution witness and seemingly the jurors never knew, so therefore it wasn't mentioned.
Some of her crimes were before she met JB. 

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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2022, 08:47:PM »
All assumptions as usual. How long is it going to take you to come up with something worth debating, like where would JM have stood as a prosecution witness if she herself had been prosecuted for her past dealings in drugs and the cheque fraud ?

You don't need Julie Mugford to find Jeremy Bamber guilty.  Her statement to police was important in getting the case turned around.  But the case shouldn't have needed turning around in the first place.

You don't actually need Julie Mugfords statement/testimony to find Jeremy Bamber guilty.  There is plenty of other evidence that does that.

And maybe Julie Mulford's testimony did convince the jury that Jeremy Bamber was guilty, and so she was important in that regard, but it still doesn't change the facts, which is that there is plenty of evidence that proves that Jeremy Bamber is guilty.

If it went to court today, there would be even more evidence that could be considered, that wasn't presented to the jury in 1986, that points to Jeremy Bambers guilt.

And there is insurmountable proof that Sheila was murdered.  And that proof automatically makes Jeremy Bamber guilty, on account of his absolute refusal to allow his defence team to suggest the possible involvement of a third party.

His defence team, have been unable to introduce reasonable doubt into the equation, because Jeremy Bamber insists that it was Sheila who committed the crime.

His 37 year campaign to prove Sheila's guilt, makes no sense whatsoever, given that he says he wasn't there and that he was asleep in his bed when it all kicked off.  So how does he know that Sheila is guilty? An innocent person wouldn't know this.  So why the 37 year long campaign?

But it does make sense if you are guilty, and you are trying to frame your sister.

But as everything stands right now, Julie Mugford is an irrelevance.  Relevant then, but irrelevant now.
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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2022, 08:58:PM »
JM had a £25,000 sweetener to find JB guilty. A very good reason don't you think ?

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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2022, 09:01:PM »




Jane she may have told EP, but the court didn't know and whether Arlidge knew we don't know, but I know one thing that past crimes have to be divulged before you can become a prosecution witness and seemingly the jurors never knew, so therefore it wasn't mentioned.
Some of her crimes were before she met JB.


Whilst I know that it's been claimed that she'd committed crimes previously, it's something I'd totally refute, because other than something like riding a bike without lights, and the simple fact that there wasn't the time, she'd never have been allowed into Canada with a criminal record, and in order to attain the position she's achieved there, a full and thorough search of her past would have been carried out. As you're inclined to believe in JB's total innocence, I'm inclined to give Julie the benefit of doubt when it comes to past crimes and had her current misdemeanours been bought up in court, I imagine the prosecution would have had a field day linking them to JB's influence on her.

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2022, 09:03:PM »
It's properganda.

But if it is meant to be propaganda. It's ludicrous. To be honest the case is miniscule in the public eye. When we think high profile defendants in the UK we think of the Stephen Lawrence case, Ian Huntley. Bamber happened in the 80s. The WHF drama upped the profile. Before that ( and I have asked many over the years) do you remember Jeremy Bamber and the vast majority don't. Ask if they remember Huntley it's a different story

Nobody would take an interest in the case until a headline read. " Bamber referred to the court of appeal " or " Bambers convictions overturned"

He has a small following. I don't mean in believing in his innocence. People such as myself and you. Me having met him in prison and being on the fence. You adamant of his guilt other forum posters.



He has his hopes on a vastly understaffed body the CCRC. He knows even with the most compelling evidence this will take a while if ever.
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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2022, 09:04:PM »
JM had a £25,000 sweetener to find JB guilty. A very good reason don't you think ?


But it has nothing to do with any past crimes you claim she committed. It must also be remembered that Julie wasn't on trial.

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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2022, 09:11:PM »
The CCRC were never fit for purpose when you read about the many MOJ's that were missed and also those which are stock-piled due to the incompetence of whoever remains there. The former manager should never have taken on the job. It would appear that it has quite a turnover of staff which is never a good omen.

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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2022, 09:12:PM »

And there is insurmountable proof that Sheila was murdered

That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

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Re: End of the road ?
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2022, 09:12:PM »
But wasn't Julies crimes quashed and rescinded,How could there be any record of them to hold her career back?

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2022, 09:13:PM »
JM had a £25,000 sweetener to find JB guilty. A very good reason don't you think ?

Lookout you must accept Bamber is guilty.

Or come up with reasons for his innocence.
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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2022, 09:16:PM »
But if it is meant to be propaganda. It's ludicrous. To be honest the case is miniscule in the public eye. When we think high profile defendants in the UK we think of the Stephen Lawrence case, Ian Huntley. Bamber happened in the 80s. The WHF drama upped the profile. Before that ( and I have asked many over the years) do you remember Jeremy Bamber and the vast majority don't. Ask if they remember Huntley it's a different story

Nobody would take an interest in the case until a headline read. " Bamber referred to the court of appeal " or " Bambers convictions overturned"

He has a small following. I don't mean in believing in his innocence. People such as myself and you. Me having met him in prison and being on the fence. You adamant of his guilt other forum posters.



He has his hopes on a vastly understaffed body the CCRC. He knows even with the most compelling evidence this will take a while if ever.

Can you post a transcript of the letter you sent Bamber for the forum. Forth request.

Thank you.
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