End of the road ?

[ILB]

I have come to the conclusion over the years that Bamber may have started to lose the plot reference the blog posts. If it is indeed direct from Jeremy

Such posts as " my imminent freedom" " I expect to be out by the end of the year"

Jeremy is an old school at jail.  And to be fair the whole British judicial process. He isn't thick. He knows the process. The court process is long and drawn. Jeremy knows this. He has been battling 37 years to prove his innocence. He had the 2002 appeal knockback. His case has sat in the legal wilderness for years

I have always been of the opinion that the blog posts are not maintained directly by Jeremy.

Someone said it is from Jeremy who is trying to keep his case in the public eye. It's bollocks I'm sorry. The most Novice legal eye could tell this

[Roch]

Are we allowed to know the substance of this 100% proof?

It must be linked to forensic report/s which enabled one of or both of two further grounds that were submitted in Dec 2021.

[Jane]

I have come to the conclusion over the years that Bamber may have started to lose the plot reference the blog posts. If it is indeed direct from Jeremy

Such posts as " my imminent freedom" " I expect to be out by the end of the year"

Jeremy is an old school at jail.  And to be fair the whole British judicial process. He isn't thick. He knows the process. The court process is long and drawn. Jeremy knows this. He has been battling 37 years to prove his innocence. He had the 2002 appeal knockback. His case has sat in the legal wilderness for years

I have always been of the opinion that the blog posts are not maintained directly by Jeremy.

Someone said it is from Jeremy who is trying to keep his case in the public eye. It's bollocks I'm sorry. The most Novice legal eye could tell this

I feel certain there is truth in what you say of JB, but I can't help wondering how much of the old JB still exists? The one who was very conscious of his position in life. The one in which it was he who gave the orders and he who was in control. With this in mind, and given that, these days, his ability to control will have its limits, I feel perfectly certain it is he who directs these blogs. We all need confidence boosters from time to time. Perhaps these are JB's?

[ILB]

I feel certain there is truth in what you say of JB, but I can't help wondering how much of the old JB still exists? The one who was very conscious of his position in life. The one in which it was he who gave the orders and he who was in control. With this in mind, and given that, these days, his ability to control will have its limits, I feel perfectly certain it is he who directs these blogs. We all need confidence boosters from time to time. Perhaps these are JB's?

Did he give the orders in his previous life so to speak though?

He relied heavily on his parents for cash. And in relation to the farm he did what ever he did at the discretion of Nevill. Who was the gaffer.

I agree about confidence boosters. But even if there was compelling evidence of his innocence which was sure to set him free. The whole process is long mammoth task. Especially when dealing with a vastly understaffed establishment like the CCRC. Jeremy is fully aware of this. It can take years for a referral. It took him 13 years to get to the court of appeal from the first appeal knockback back in. 1989

[Jane]

Did he give the orders in his previous life so to speak though?


He relied heavily on his parents for cash. And in relation to the farm he did what ever he did at the discretion of Nevill. Who was the gaffer.

I agree about confidence boosters. But even if there was compelling evidence of his innocence which was sure to set him free. The whole process is long mammoth task. Especially when dealing with a vastly understaffed establishment like the CCRC. Jeremy is fully aware of this. It can take years for a referral. It took him 13 years to get to the court of appeal from the first appeal knockback back in. 1989

ILB, I'm referring more to how he liked to see himself as being, ie the funeral suit which he proudly displayed as bearing the legend "Boss", and declaring it was now him, as opposed to the actuality. I think it entirely possible that Nevill had held him back -possibly thinking he was trying to run before he could walk, and partly because he wasn't certain if he could be trusted- and he saw the "Boss moment" as being "The king is dead. Long live the King".
I have no knowledge of how the CCRC works, but I don't question anything you say of it and I agree that JB has had long enough to know as much as you, about it.

[ILB]

I think he would have ran the farm into the ground personally.

And that is of an opinion regardless of showing an interest in farming or not. He was inexperienced. And I don't think particularly business minded. People would have seen him coming. People would have taken advantage of him

[Jane]

I think he would have ran the farm into the ground personally.

And that is of an opinion regardless of showing an interest in farming or not. He was inexperienced. And I don't think particularly business minded. People would have seen him coming. People would have taken advantage of him

I entirely agree. The irony is that, because of his arrogance, he'd never have known he was being taken for a ride. I imagine that the wider family would have been more than aware of this.

[Adam]

Bamber would have sold everything he could. He wouldn't want to be head of the farm or caravan site. That involved work.

He had already started either throwing/giving stuff away & taking stuff from WHF for himself or to be sold.

He wanted to travel, which he had started doing in the month between the massacre & his arrest.

Was going to say he may have kept Sheila's London flat as a base between holidays. However Wilkes says he was planning to rent that out. Maybe his cottage would be that base.

[lookout]

All assumptions as usual. How long is it going to take you to come up with something worth debating, like where would JM have stood as a prosecution witness if she herself had been prosecuted for her past dealings in drugs and the cheque fraud ? 

[lookout]

Oh, and keeping nicks while JB robbed the caravan site ?

[Jane]

All assumptions as usual. How long is it going to take you to come up with something worth debating, like where would JM have stood as a prosecution witness if she herself had been prosecuted for her past dealings in drugs and the cheque fraud ? 

Oh, and keeping nicks while JB robbed the caravan site ?

I suppose it might be argued that, had it not been for her association with JB, who they all revert back to, she wouldn't have become involved with any of the above?

[lookout]

I suppose it might be argued that, had it not been for her association with JB, who they all revert back to, she wouldn't have become involved with any of the above?

A few offences took place prior to her association with JB ?

[Jane]

A few offences took place prior to her association with JB ?

Certain things have been mooted, but given that, at 21, she'd already completed a three year degree course and had embarked on a second, she had to have gone straight from school to college, and was having to do casual work to fund herself. As absolutely nothing has been proved -and she's still free to come to England to see her family whenever she chooses- I suspect none of what's been suggested to be true. I'm guessing that had it been, at this stage of the game, there's nothing which would have stopped it from being revealed?

[Adam]

Certain things have been mooted, but given that, at 21, she'd already completed a three year degree course and had embarked on a second, she had to have gone straight from school to college, and was having to do casual work to fund herself. As absolutely nothing has been proved -and she's still free to come to England to see her family whenever she chooses- I suspect none of what's been suggested to be true. I'm guessing that had it been, at this stage of the game, there's nothing which would have stopped it from being revealed?

Lookout has no knowledge of the case. She supports Bamber because of a gut feeling in 1985.

The police knew nothing about Julie's other minor crimes before she approached them.

[Adam]

Are we allowed to know the substance of this 100% proof?

It's properganda.