Hello everyone,i would like to take another look at the livor mortis issue.Vanezis stated that livor mortis or hypostasis as he called it was well established in the adult victims.This is no surprise as they had been dead for over 12hrs if JB was guilty before any autopsies were done.Livor mortis is visible about two hrs after death,becomes bright red after 3-4 hrs and is at a maximum state after 6-8hrs turning a blue/purple colour.Lividity is fixed after 8-12 hrs after the blood has congealed and can no longer move.Anyway if Sheila died about 2.30, by the time Bird took the crime scene photos between 10 and 12.15 eight hours or more had passed,so livor mortis should have been well established or at its maximum by then.Any visible staining should have been bright red at least,if not purple.So,if sheila died at 2.30 any visible staining should just about be at maximum colour,yet there is nothing obvious in the crime scene photos anywhere on her arms or legs.There should have been staining by this time ,8hrs after death,But maybe in Sheilas case there simply wasn't going to be much staining.If this was the case,then the photos that Bird took at the morgue should be no different,showing little staining on Sheilas arms or legs.If however the autopsy photos were to show obvious blue patches on her arms or legs that were not present in the crime scene photos,this may change everything.It could mean that Sheila did indeed die much later than the other victims,and had only been dead between 2.5-3hrs when the crime scene photos were taken,hence very little visible staining was present caused by livor mortis at that stage.But,by the time she was taken to the morgue liver mortis was well established just a Vanezis said.So,if there is obvious blue staining on Sheilas arms/legs in the morgue photos and not in the crime scene photos,i think this points to Sheila dying much later than 2.30 and Bambers innocence.Obviously you would need to see the morgue photos to test this theory out.Any thoughts?