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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2022, 08:09:PM »
I operated as 'Jeremy Bambers,' `McKensie man`, between the date of my release on the 27th July 1990, and until 'around 2004/2005' [that's 14/15 years of support, investigative ability, and logic], that 'I felt duty bound' to offer him!
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2022, 08:10:PM »
Are you saying you disagree with Dr. Vanezis, who said that Sheila would have had to be drugged for Jeremy to manage it?

Are you implying that Nevill did not struggle with Jeremy and he went to the kitchen because Jeremy told him to go there?

Could you just explain how you think the rifle was pointed at Sheila and how Jeremy forced Sheila to comply?  Did he point it at her throat or back or what? 

How did Jeremy manoeuvre Sheila into the main bedroom and then into position?  Did he just tell her to lie down flat on the floor and hold the rifle for him?  Or was she not holding the rifle barrel when the first shot struck her? 

If she did not hold the rifle barrel before being shot, how were her arms positioned when she was lying down as Jeremy told her to?

You ask questions which just require common sense.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2022, 08:15:PM »
I 'visited him', 'wrote to him', 'conducted privately arranged visits to potential witnesses', and 'asked for no financial assistance', from 'Jeremy' or 'anyone else'!

But, because of 'a misunderstanding' on 'Jeremys' part, 'we eventually grew apart', and 'I felt 'like' I was an' abandoned friend', and 'a loyal supporter'!
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2022, 08:19:PM »

You raise an excellent point, AD.

Come on Jane don't get like Adam please, imagine the situation: someone is holding a gun on you and tells you to lie down. Perhaps you comply because you think they are a just a petty burglar after a bit of cash, but would you if you knew you are going to be shot dead?

You would either run or fight there is no other option.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2022, 08:22:PM »
You ask questions which just require common sense.

The rifle would need two hands to control, so how does JB control Sheila as well? I am glad you mention common sense Adam we are making progress.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2022, 08:36:PM »
It is surprising that people believe a fit, fully clothed, motivated 24 year old male holding a rifle, couldn't control Sheila for a few seconds.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2022, 08:41:PM »
It is surprising that people believe a fit, fully clothed, motivated 24 year old male holding a rifle, couldn't control Sheila for a few seconds.

Espescially as the evidence shows Sheila was docile & uncoordinated. As my thread post states.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2022, 08:53:PM »
Espescially as the evidence shows Sheila was docile & uncoordinated. As my thread post states.

How many days before she was involved in the shooting of other family members, was it that she received her medication, and or took her prescribed tablets? Whenever that was, and whether she did, or not, there is no way that any pro-guilty Bamber is/was guilty recruits, could possibly know what sort of an influence, such failures, or successes, may have, or did have, or could have contributed to the outcome of this tragedy! It was a reckless decision by her doctor, to halve the amount of Haloperiodal given to her, so close to the time of 'the happennings'..

'Sheila' was not docile, as suggested by those who think that 'Jeremy Bamber' killed her victims!

She was 'alert enough', to 'write a suicide note' in her 'own hand'! She removed a tampon, from an unopened box of tampons that were found upon a bed in her room! An 'empty' tampon container was found downstairs in the living room', and during autopsy, the pathologist confirmed that there was a tampon inserted vaginally! I would suggest, that everything that 'Sheila' had to do (and did) in the entire process and procedure of placing her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket of cold water [in the kitchen], of her opening a box of 10 tampons in her bedroom and carrying one such tampon downstairs into the living room, where she removed a tampon from its packaging, and personally inserted it intimately into herself, then wash and rinse out the pair of light blue night attire legggings, and droop these over the bannister rail [half way between the main bedroom entrance and her own bedroom door, in the general region of the top landing/top of the main stairs]. She then [at about 7.15am] placed a rifle at a box room window located in between the main bedroom, and the children's bedroom, before making her way back downstairs into the kitchen, to face her preconceived fate! 'Sheila' was so docile and confused that she sorted out a second wooden chair, in front of a similar wooden chair upon which `Ralph Bamber' had slumped due to the fact that by that/this stage, he had been 'non fatally wounded 4 times already!

Need I say more?
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2022, 08:59:PM »
I 'visited him', 'wrote to him', 'conducted privately arranged visits to potential witnesses', and 'asked for no financial assistance', from 'Jeremy' or 'anyone else'!

But, because of 'a misunderstanding' on 'Jeremys' part, 'we eventually grew apart', and 'I felt 'like' I was an' abandoned friend', and 'a loyal supporter'!
I am sure that everyone who has ever been a member of this forum has never doubted how much you have done for JBs cause over the years Mike.And you probably dont get the acknowledgement and respect you deserve a lot of the time.I am sure it hurt when you and JB grew apart,but there is no doubt he knows you are still campaigning on his behalf.And God willing one day on the outside he will thank you for all you have done Mike.[If he is innocent that is]

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2022, 09:01:PM »
It is surprising that people believe a fit, fully clothed, motivated 24 year old male holding a rifle, couldn't control Sheila for a few seconds.

The results of blood grouping type obtained from scientific examination of 'Sheila Caffells nightdress [`ND/3' - Lab' item no. 19] and the. 22 rifle, suggests that other victims blood types, were found to be present upon each side of the nightdress (referred to above) and that the specific blood group type obtained from a loose flake that was trapped between baffle plates, [1 and 2] of 'Anthony Parveters 17 baffled Parker hale silencer, was not unique, and or, exclusive to' Sheila Caffell, despite the prosecutions expert witnesses claims that it did, or was...
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2022, 09:02:PM »
I am sure that everyone who has ever been a member of this forum has never doubted how much you have done for JBs cause over the years Mike.And you probably dont get the acknowledgement and respect you deserve a lot of the time.I am sure it hurt when you and JB grew apart,but there is no doubt he knows you are still campaigning on his behalf.And God willing one day on the outside he will thank you for all you have done Mike.[If he is innocent that is]

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2022, 09:05:PM »
Not if you know the person holding the gun is going to kill you, walking past June Sheila would know she was next, she would have nothing to lose but either try to run to her children or lash out at the killer.

No one would just lie down to be shot dead.

Hi Armchair.But once that gun is pressed against your neck,you know you either have to struggle and try to push it away,or accept what is about to happen,close your eyes and wait for the bang.It isnt easy for me to accept she gave up on life that easy.

I thought Sheila was suicidal, why would she fight like an 80's action hero?


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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2022, 09:06:PM »
You ask questions which just require common sense.

I didn't know that.  Thanks Adam.

She was on Haloperiodal.

Besides which, Bamber could control a fully fit Sheila. He had stolen June's bike before Sheila even arrived at WHF for goodness sake.

Due to the supper reconnaissance earlier.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2022, 09:11:PM »
I thought Sheila was suicidal, why would she fight like an 80's action hero?

What do you mean by "80s action hero"?  Isn't the point that Sheila might struggle and/or flee?  Jeremy needs to stage Sheila's suicide, which means she needs to be shot in a particular way.  If Sheila struggles, he risks injury.

You haven't answered my earlier questions.  Just to be clear, are you saying that you think the prosecution case depends on Sheila complying quietly with Jeremy?

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2022, 09:13:PM »
I didn't know that.  Thanks Adam.

Due to the supper reconnaissance earlier.

Bamber had to do reconnaisance. To make sure all 5 members were sleeping there that night.

We know for sure he saw an awake Sheila then, who he would have monitored.
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