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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2022, 06:17:PM »
'Sheila' was not in 'an uncoordinated state' when she carried out personal and private duties [6th/7th August 1985)...

  'ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS'

« Last Edit: April 03, 2022, 06:24:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2022, 06:20:PM »
You do waste a lot of time arguing about silly things.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a very good way to control them whether they are medicated/sedated or not. 


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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2022, 06:26:PM »
'Sheila' was not in 'an uncoordinated state' when she carried out personal and private duties [6th/7th August 1985)...

  'ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS'


Good points Mike.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2022, 06:29:PM »
'SHE WAS CAPABLE OF UNWRAPPING THE TAMPON BOX, REMOVING A SINGLE TAMPON CONTAINER, CARRYING IT, FROM HER BEDROOM UPSTAIRS, TO THE LIVING ROOM DOWNSTAIRS, AND INTIMATELY INSERTING THE TAMPON VAGINALLY'

Surely, these actions serve to confirm in the affirmative, that 'Sheila' was more than able or capable of loading additional bullets into the magazine of the gun, and firing the gun!!!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2022, 06:33:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2022, 06:33:PM »
You do waste a lot of time arguing about silly things.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a very good way to control them whether they are medicated/sedated or not. 


Hi Armchair.But once that gun is pressed against your neck,you know you either have to struggle and try to push it away,or accept what is about to happen,close your eyes and wait for the bang.It isnt easy for me to accept she gave up on life that easy.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2022, 06:41:PM »
'SHE WAS CAPABLE OF UNWRAPPING THE TAMPON BOX, REMOVING A SINGLE TAMPON CONTAINER, CARRYING IT, FROM HER BEDROOM UPSTAIRS, TO THE LIVING ROOM DOWNSTAIRS, AND INTIMATELY INSERTING THE TAMPON VAGINALLY'

Surely, these actions serve to confirm in the affirmative, that 'Sheila' was more than able or capable of loading additional bullets into the magazine of the gun, and firing the gun!!!

According to pathologist ['Peter Venezis'] `it appeared that 'Sheila' had 'taken her own life', after 'killing the other four victims'..
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2022, 06:49:PM »
'Sheila' was [in my view,] readily capable of shooting dead 'other members of her family! This being' absolutely true', and 'acceptable', in 'the overwhelming circumstances of this/these incredulous police investigations' ('SC/688/85') and ('SC/786/85)..


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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2022, 07:02:PM »
You do waste a lot of time arguing about silly things.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a very good way to control them whether they are medicated/sedated or not. 




You raise an excellent point, AD.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2022, 07:04:PM »
I know with '100% certainty', that 'ordinary members of the public' , are 'at large', 'may', 'will not', and 'could not hope to activate' or use' these website protocols', 'mischievously'...
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2022, 07:08:PM »
You do waste a lot of time arguing about silly things.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a very good way to control them whether they are medicated/sedated or not. 


Are you saying you disagree with Dr. Vanezis, who said that Sheila would have had to be drugged for Jeremy to manage it?

Are you implying that Nevill did not struggle with Jeremy and he went to the kitchen because Jeremy told him to go there?

Could you just explain how you think the rifle was pointed at Sheila and how Jeremy forced Sheila to comply?  Did he point it at her throat or back or what? 

How did Jeremy manoeuvre Sheila into the main bedroom and then into position?  Did he just tell her to lie down flat on the floor and hold the rifle for him?  Or was she not holding the rifle barrel when the first shot struck her? 

If she did not hold the rifle barrel before being shot, how were her arms positioned when she was lying down as Jeremy told her to?

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2022, 07:10:PM »
Before a mentally disturbed person " breaks down " they have a period of being docile, or appear to be calm and collected. This is a danger point. You don't know what they're thinking or what's troubling them.
Some years ago, out of the blue, a pilot in mid-flight had a sudden breakdown. He'd calmly told his first officer that he was " going to stretch his legs "----nothing unusual in that since the first officer was in control so all was well.

Out of the blue the pilot started shouting to which the passengers heard, then he was heard banging on the cockpit door which the first officer had managed to lock when he'd heard him shouting in the cabin. It took 4 or 5 passengers to hold him down on the floor as meanwhile a landing space was organised at the nearest airport to get the pilot off who by this time was shouting again and struggling. The first officer landed the plane safely.

This pilot had obviously shown no signs of a mental disturbance when he boarded the flight ( about 150 passengers ) and had been calm/ normal before having a brainstorm mid-flight. It would have appeared that he'd had hi-jacking on his mind which drove him mad as he'd been heard to shout various countries, then bomb.
If the passengers hadn't have restrained him it doesn't bear thinking what the man might have done. He was taken straight to a hospital for the mentally ill.


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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2022, 08:05:PM »
You do waste a lot of time arguing about silly things.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a very good way to control them whether they are medicated/sedated or not. 


Not if you know the person holding the gun is going to kill you, walking past June Sheila would know she was next, she would have nothing to lose but either try to run to her children or lash out at the killer.

No one would just lie down to be shot dead.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2022, 08:06:PM »
Are you saying you disagree with Dr. Vanezis, who said that Sheila would have had to be drugged for Jeremy to manage it?

Are you implying that Nevill did not struggle with Jeremy and he went to the kitchen because Jeremy told him to go there?

Could you just explain how you think the rifle was pointed at Sheila and how Jeremy forced Sheila to comply?  Did he point it at her throat or back or what? 

How did Jeremy manoeuvre Sheila into the main bedroom and then into position?  Did he just tell her to lie down flat on the floor and hold the rifle for him?  Or was she not holding the rifle barrel when the first shot struck her? 

If she did not hold the rifle barrel before being shot, how were her arms positioned when she was lying down as Jeremy told her to?

She was on Haloperiodal.

Besides which, Bamber could control a fully fit Sheila. He had stolen June's bike before Sheila even arrived at WHF for goodness sake.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2022, 08:07:PM »
Then tell me the uncomplicated version Jane.

My scenario. Which you have read.

Ditto you with your Sheila scenario. Without 50 maybe's.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2022, 08:08:PM »

Or not as complicated as you're attempting to make it?

It's supporters only option.
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