Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:

[lookout]

And not a mark on JB---not even a scratch from those talons of Sheila's !

[Adam]

And not a mark on JB---not even a scratch from those talons of Sheila's !

The evidence shows Sheila was very docile & uncoordinated. From the multiple side effects of Haloperiodal.

Bamber was also fully clothed & a lot stronger. So would not get 'a mark' on him. Even if Sheila was fully fit.

All straight forward.

[snow66!]

You are over estimating a fully fit Sheila. Bamber was going ahead regardless. He had already stolen June's bike.

Screaming would not stop Bamber. Everyone was already dead. Bamber was much stronger & fully clothed. So punching, kicking would not stop him.

The crime scene evidence & Sheila's condition just before the massacre, together with the multiple side effects of Haloperiodal, confirm Sheila put up no/minimal resistance. It also rules her out as a suspect.

But if she was punching ,kicking or even struggling at all,how did JB get a shot near her throat.He not only had to hold her down and under control,he had to use one arm to use the rifle.Very prpblematic Adam,and will always be a problem for the guilters Adam.This fact will not go away.

[lookout]

The evidence shows Sheila was very docile & uncoordinated. From the multiple side effects of Haloperiodal.

Bamber was also fully clothed & a lot stronger. So would not get 'a mark' on him. Even if Sheila was fully fit.

All straight forward.

You need a strong cup of tea Adam.

[snow66!]

So not a straight forward as you would like to think Adam.

[Adam]

But if she was punching ,kicking or even struggling at all,how did JB get a shot near her throat.He not only had to hold her down and under control,he had to use one arm to use the rifle.Very prpblematic Adam,and will always be a problem for the guilters Adam.This fact will not go away.

By using his superior strenght.

Besides which the evidence shows Sheila was very docile & uncoordinated.

[snow66!]

By using his superior strenght.

Besides which the evidence shows Sheila was very docile & uncoordinated.

Still very tricky Adam,very tricky,and you know it.No problem if the wounds were self inflicted however.

[guest29835]

Adam I think you're missing something here. Could a docile, uncoordinated Adam, with low levels of cannabis in his system control a bunch of fully fit supporters? He would be virtually a zombie. I think it's unlikely.

I think it depends on whether Adam has been on his supper reconnaissance, as that would keep him quite sharp and alert, even if a bit docile.

[Adam]

Still very tricky Adam,very tricky,and you know it.No problem if the wounds were self inflicted however.

Supporters do tend to over exaggerate Sheila's potential response.

Kicking, screaming, punching, scratching, running away.

Doubtful she had realised what was going on prior to her first shot. Let alone reacted.

[snow66!]

Supporters do tend to over exaggerate Sheila's potential response.

Kicking, screaming, punching, scratching, running away.

Doubtful she had realised what was going on prior to her first shot. Let alone reacted.

Well then you are going to need a very elaborate plan Adam.If June is already dead and lying in the doorway,JB must know that whatever state Sheila was in,she is going to waken up and be alert very quickly if she sees the body.Now even if JB turns out the bedroom light and uses the hall one to see with,it is still going to be hard to avert Sheilas eyes from Junes body,but possible i suppose.And this is supposing that Sheila slept through the shooting,which i personally doubt.Then he has to tell her to sit down for some reason,so she is presumably compos mentis enough to understand orders but not to question them.Then JB has to whip the rifle from under the bed sheets,or where ever it was hidden from view.pointaim and fire,maybe in dim light.Or he may have put on the bedroom light after Sheila was seated and could no longer see June.Of course this would mean Sheila would see the rifle being pointed at her and feel it in contact with her neck.So,in order to pull the trigger without any protestation whatsoever JB would definitely have needed to be the fastest shot in Essex.Tricky Adam,very tricky.

[Jane]

But a fully fit comos mentis Sheila would have screamed,kicked and punched and ran away Adam,that is why Vanezis said if JB was the killer,Sheila would have had to be drugged.

Having been dosed intravenously with antipsychotics, she would have been.

[Jane]

So not a straight forward as you would like to think Adam.

Or not as complicated as you're attempting to make it?

[snow66!]

Having been dosed intravenously with antipsychotics, she would have been.

Not according to Vanezis Jane.

[snow66!]

Or not as complicated as you're attempting to make it?

Then tell me the uncomplicated version Jane.

[mike tesko]

Having been dosed intravenously with antipsychotics, she would have been.

How many days before she was involved in the shooting of other family members, was it that she received her medication, and or took her prescribed tablets? Whenever that was, and whether she did, or not, there is no way that any pro-guilty Bamber is/was guilty recruits, could possibly know what sort of an influence, such failures, or successes, may have, or did have, or could have contributed to the outcome of this tragedy! It was a reckless decision by her doctor, to halve the amount of Haloperiodal given to her, so close to the time of 'the happennings'..

'Sheila' was not docile, as suggested by those who think that 'Jeremy Bamber' killed her victims!

She was 'alert enough', to 'write a suicide note' in her 'own hand'! She removed a tampon, from an unopened box of tampons that were found upon a bed in her room! An 'empty' tampon container was found downstairs in the living room', and during autopsy, the pathologist confirmed that there was a tampon inserted vaginally! I would suggest, that everything that 'Sheila' had to do (and did) in the entire process and procedure of placing her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket of cold water [in the kitchen], of her opening a box of 10 tampons in her bedroom and carrying one such tampon downstairs into the living room, where she removed a tampon from its packaging, and personally inserted it intimately into herself, then wash and rinse out the pair of light blue night attire legggings, and droop these over the bannister rail [half way between the main bedroom entrance and her own bedroom door, in the general region of the top landing/top of the main stairs]. She then [at about 7.15am] placed a rifle at a box room window located in between the main bedroom, and the children's bedroom, before making her way back downstairs into the kitchen, to face her preconceived fate! 'Sheila' was so docile and confused that she sorted out a second wooden chair, in front of a similar wooden chair upon which `Ralph Bamber' had slumped due to the fact that by that/this stage, he had been 'non fatally wounded 4 times already!

Need I say more?