Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:

[Jane]

Or is this just another myth to prove she did not have the dexterity to load and use the rifle?

I guess you'd need to find out who was responsible for collecting all these diverse characters together to persuade them that Sheila was uncoordinated. It's odd that so many, who seem unknown to each other, would say the same of her.

[Jane]

Coordination-we are told Sheila couldnt even open a tin of baked beans.Could she cook? What was she eating while she lived on her own? We are told the autopsy showed she was well nourished.Was she really that hopeless at looking after herself?And as i have said,Sheila rolled numerous joints while talking to Helen Grimster the day after she was discharged from hospita, having newly received her Haloperidol injection. So just how clumsy and uncoordinated was she.by the effects of the Haloperidol?

I can't remember if she went to finishing school. If she had, high end cookery, along with flower arranging, deportment and etiquette would have been part of the curriculum. Perhaps she didn't like cooking. She may not have been required to get stuck in at WHF. There was a housekeeper and I imagine June to have been a competent cook.

Without having proof of HG's knowledge of marijuana, it's not certain what it was that smelled "funny". It may just have been cheap, loose tobacco.

The docu made at the Maudsley, highlighting the effects of antipsychotics, showed patients in zombie like states, walking with lumbering, ungainly gaits which they seemed to be aware of, but could so nothing about.

[snow66!]

I guess you'd need to find out who was responsible for collecting all these diverse characters together to persuade them that Sheila was uncoordinated. It's odd that so many, who seem unknown to each other, would say the same of her.

Hiya Jane,hope your well.How many of them spoke about Sheila being uncoordinated? I think i can remember Colin mentioning this,but i am not sure who else.Certainly never by JB or the relatives,i think impractical may have been mentioned,maybe clumsy.

[snow66!]

I can't remember if she went to finishing school. If she had, high end cookery, along with flower arranging, deportment and etiquette would have been part of the curriculum. Perhaps she didn't like cooking. She may not have been required to get stuck in at WHF. There was a housekeeper and I imagine June to have been a competent cook.

Without having proof of HG's knowledge of marijuana, it's not certain what it was that smelled "funny". It may just have been cheap, loose tobacco.

The docu made at the Maudsley, highlighting the effects of antipsychotics, showed patients in zombie like states, walking with lumbering, ungainly gaits which they seemed to be aware of, but could so nothing about.

But she must have fed herself while living on her own Jane,unless she lived entirely on fast food.I will look at some of the docs about Haloperidol and the side effects you talk of.

[Jane]

Hiya Jane,hope your well.How many of them spoke about Sheila being uncoordinated? I think i can remember Colin mentioning this,but i am not sure who else.Certainly never by JB or the relatives,i think impractical may have been mentioned,maybe clumsy.

Tut tut, Snow! You must get a grip on your similes. Ann it was who said of Sheila that she was unable to put beans on toast. Some might call that clumsy -actually I'm prepared to say she was severely lacking in confidence- Colin, if you remember correctly, called her uncoordinated. That's simply two sides of the same coin. I suspect your own suggestion of her being impractical is somewhere in the mix, too.

[snow66!]

Tut tut, Snow! You must get a grip on your similes. Ann it was who said of Sheila that she was unable to put beans on toast. Some might call that clumsy -actually I'm prepared to say she was severely lacking in confidence- Colin, if you remember correctly, called her uncoordinated. That's simply two sides of the same coin. I suspect your own suggestion of her being impractical is somewhere in the mix, too.

Sorry Jane,i do get mixed up with who said what.Anyway,i have been watching videos of Haloperidol,it seems to be a very dangerous drug.Havent come across any examples or demonstrations of patients walking problems yet.Will continue the research.

[Adam]

Oh and Sheila walked down to the field of rape to see Jeremy with the twins.How far away was the field? And there was no mention from JB that she was acting like a zombie and walking strangely.All he said was that they chatted for about ten minutes.Yet it was later on that same day that Michael Horsnell observed the zombie behaviour.I would say it probably depended which of the witnesses believed Jb was guilty and how much they were possibly goaded into exaggerating what they had seen of heard.

I don't think he would say that then claim she committed murder/suicide a few hours later.

Sheila could obviously walk. But had coordination problems. As said by Toro Tompkinson & Michael Horsnell.

[Adam]

Sorry Jane,i do get mixed up with who said what.Anyway,i have been watching videos of Haloperidol,it seems to be a very dangerous drug.Havent come across any examples or demonstrations of patients walking problems yet.Will continue the research.

Yes, a very powerful drug. Lots of side effects which could be working simultaneously on a person.

[lookout]

Yes, a very powerful drug. Lots of side effects which could be working simultaneously on a person.

Which is why Sheila should have been taking other drugs to counteract or reverse the symptoms of Haldol to help with the side-effects-----but she didn't, as was noted in her blood test. On its own, Haldol would have had adverse effects which is why Sheila asked for a reduction in her dose, before the drug had time to take effect.

[Adam]

Sorry Jane,i do get mixed up with who said what.Anyway,i have been watching videos of Haloperidol,it seems to be a very dangerous drug.Havent come across any examples or demonstrations of patients walking problems yet.Will continue the research.

https://youtu.be/ve1N3xOlc-g

This video mentions Tardive dyskinesia, a condition where your face, body or both make sudden, irregular movements which you cannot control.

[Adam]

Obviously it was impossible for Sheila to commit the massacre. However easy for Bamber to control her.

There are so many strong side effects of Haloperiodal & so many sources regarding Sheila's condition just before the massacre.

[snow66!]

Obviously it was impossible for Sheila to commit the massacre. However easy for Bamber to control her.

There are so many strong side effects of Haloperiodal & so many sources regarding Sheila's condition just before the massacre.

But are you not just picking the side effects to fit your scenario Adam? For instance being tired or drowsy through the day does not mean you will automatically sleep well at night.Restlessness ,aggitation and insomnia are also common side effects,and we know Sheila was prescribed a sleeping tablet.So therefore we must take it that insomnia was a problem.Now which is it,we are told she was careless taking oral meds,so if she did not take her procyclidene tablets she would suffer tiredness,and if she did not take her sleeping tablet she would have insomnia.Now heres the problem Adam,your scenario has Sheila very weak and tired,but also sound asleep the time of the shooting.So you are effectively saying that Sheila didnt take the procyclidene tablets,but did take her sleeping tablets.So therefore you are manipulating things to fit your version of Sheilas actions that night.Isnt that so Adam?

[Adam]

But are you not just picking the side effects to fit your scenario Adam? For instance being tired or drowsy through the day does not mean you will automatically sleep well at night.Restlessness ,aggitation and insomnia are also common side effects,and we know Sheila was prescribed a sleeping tablet.So therefore we must take it that insomnia was a problem.Now which is it,we are told she was careless taking oral meds,so if she did not take her procyclidene tablets she would suffer tiredness,and if she did not take her sleeping tablet she would have insomnia.Now heres the problem Adam,your scenario has Sheila very weak and tired,but also sound asleep the time of the shooting.So you are effectively saying that Sheila didnt take the procyclidene tablets,but did take her sleeping tablets.So therefore you are manipulating things to fit your version of Sheilas actions that night.Isnt that so Adam?

My scenario does not say what condition Sheila is in. As said, Bamber was going ahead regardless.

The evidence of the side effects of Haloperiodal & Sheila's condition just before the massacre is on the forum. These rule out Sheila as a suspect.

[snow66!]

My scenario does not say what condition Sheila is in. As said, Bamber was going ahead regardless.

The evidence of the side effects of Haloperiodal & Sheila's condition just before the massacre is on the forum. These rule out Sheila as a suspect.

But a fully fit comos mentis Sheila would have screamed,kicked and punched and ran away Adam,that is why Vanezis said if JB was the killer,Sheila would have had to be drugged.

[Adam]

But a fully fit comos mentis Sheila would have screamed,kicked and punched and ran away Adam,that is why Vanezis said if JB was the killer,Sheila would have had to be drugged.

You are over estimating a fully fit Sheila. Bamber was going ahead regardless. He had already stolen June's bike.

Screaming would not stop Bamber. Everyone was already dead. Bamber was much stronger & fully clothed. So punching, kicking would not stop him.

The crime scene evidence & Sheila's condition just before the massacre, together with the multiple side effects of Haloperiodal, confirm Sheila put up no/minimal resistance. It also rules her out as a suspect.