Liklihood of Sheila resisting during the massacre:

[Adam]

If Crispy had his own little room inside WHF, again unlikely to hear anything. And even less likely to be heard if barking.

[Adam]

There is no such evidence.  It's just invented in your imagination.

The WS's are in the 'Statements & transcripts' section of this website.

The crime scene evidence is well documented in several places online. 

[Rob_]

If Crispy had his own little room inside WHF, again unlikely to hear anything. And even less likely to be heard if barking.

From Bews statement Adam!

"From inside the house was coming the sound of a dog barking and whining"

This was when Bews was 30yards away outside, stop posting misinformation please!

Crispy to me would be a major problem to a killer clambering through a window, as Lookout says Crispy would probably have been the first victim if JB committed the crime.

[guest29835]

The WS's are in the 'Statements & transcripts' section of this website.

The crime scene evidence is well documented in several places online.

I have read them all, thank you. 

[Adam]

From Bews statement Adam!

"From inside the house was coming the sound of a dog barking and whining"

This was when Bews was 30yards away outside, stop posting misinformation please!

Crispy to me would be a major problem to a killer clambering through a window, as Lookout says Crispy would probably have been the first victim if JB committed the crime.

I'll check Bews statement.

Bamber would not shoot Crispy. He was not in the wills. He had more important targets.

Bamber would know how Crispy would react. If at all. It did not deter him.

[Steve_uk]

There is no such evidence.  It's just invented in your imagination.

Blood Relations Chapter 32

Sheila's GP, Dr Ann Wilkinson, gave evidence about medication. She said Sheila was receiving monthly doses of a powerful tranquillizer, Haloperidol, designed to control schizophrenia. A month before the massacre, Sheila had consulted Dr Wilkinson and asked for a cut in the prescribed dosage. Sheila had explained the drug was making her drowsy and slowing her down. Dr Wilkinson agreed that Haloperidol had the side effect of sedating some patients. Accordingly she decided to halve Sheila's monthly dose from 200mg to 100mg.

[Steve_uk]

But you've told me the prosecution case doesn't depend on Sheila being docile, so why engage in all this elaborate guesswork about circumstances you were not witness to?  She did this, she could have done that, Jeremy did this, Jeremy believed that, Sheila never did this.  How do you and Steve know all this?  Were you there?

You don't know when she did her nails or that she was sedated or docile.  Neither do I.  I merely ask how it can be that she could do her nails at all, ever, if she lacked basic motor co-ordination.  Did she just take her time?  Steve says she was dishevelled by habit.  Then why was she found clean?  Did she get herself ready specially for Jeremy, knowing he was coming? 

I think you dogmatic pro-guilt people need to get yourselves in a gridiron huddle and sort your story out.  You seem to be in a bit of muddle at the moment, changing what you say depending on the objections raised.

She could look presentable when encouraged to do so. Remember Jeremy told police that she liked to be told she looked pretty. Maybe he had inside knowledge of how she looked whilst leading her to her death. We know Sheila didn't have much of a concept of time: late or missed doctor's appointments, not getting Nicholas and Daniel ready for school. There is no malicious intent: just she stayed in bed due to the side-effects of Haloperidol. She may well have taken her time painting her nails at Moreshead Mansions. It's quite evident on her last day she was unable to apply lipstick with any degree of accuracy, yet she is supposed to have wielded a gun with consummate skill.

[snow66!]

She could look presentable when encouraged to do so. Remember Jeremy told police that she liked to be told she looked pretty. Maybe he had inside knowledge of how she looked whilst leading her to her death. We know Sheila didn't have much of a concept of time: late or missed doctor's appointments, not getting Nicholas and Daniel ready for school. There is no malicious intent: just she stayed in bed due to the side-effects of Haloperidol. She may well have taken her time painting her nails at Moreshead Mansions. It's quite evident on her last day she was unable to apply lipstick with any degree of accuracy, yet she is supposed to have wielded a gun with consummate skill.

Good evening Steve.So you agree with Adam,that Sheila was led through from her bedroom,and in past her mother to the far side of the bed in her parents room.Then what ?

[Steve_uk]

Good evening Steve.So you agree with Adam,that Sheila was led through from her bedroom,and in past her mother to the far side of the bed in her parents room.Then what ?

It was all over in moments snow. Sheila is told to lie down, unaware at the best of times what is occurring around her. It's why Jeremy told Julie this was "the perfect crime", being impossible to determine whether the rifle which killed her was fired from her own hand or somebody else stood over her and pulled the trigger.

[Adam]

Blood Relations Chapter 32

Sheila's GP, Dr Ann Wilkinson, gave evidence about medication. She said Sheila was receiving monthly doses of a powerful tranquillizer, Haloperidol, designed to control schizophrenia. A month before the massacre, Sheila had consulted Dr Wilkinson and asked for a cut in the prescribed dosage. Sheila had explained the drug was making her drowsy and slowing her down. Dr Wilkinson agreed that Haloperidol had the side effect of sedating some patients. Accordingly she decided to halve Sheila's monthly dose from 200mg to 100mg.

Haloperiodal is a very strong drug with lots of side effects.

Suspect a full dosage meant she could not function a lot of the time. A concern for her & her children.

Halving the dosage meant she could function more. The massacre night was not one of those nights.

[Adam]

Good evening Steve.So you agree with Adam,that Sheila was led through from her bedroom,and in past her mother to the far side of the bed in her parents room.Then what ?

You know what then happened.

[snow66!]

You know what then happened.

As i have just told Steve,that is not good enough Adam.Please give a detailed account from the time JB entered Sheilas room until her death.What was said and every action.Every step of the way,from Sheilas room to where she was shot.

[Adam]

As i have just told Steve,that is not good enough Adam.Please give a detailed account from the time JB entered Sheilas room until her death.What was said and every action.Every step of the way,from Sheilas room to where she was shot.

You need to really concentrate on your Sheila scerario. It has dozens of 'maybe's'.

The Bamber scenario is straight forward & follows the crime scene evidence.

[Adam]

As i have just told Steve,that is not good enough Adam.Please give a detailed account from the time JB entered Sheilas room until her death.What was said and every action.Every step of the way,from Sheilas room to where she was shot.

'Detailed account'. 'What was said'.

To be fair, you do give precise moments when Crispy 'maybe' barks & Sheila/June 'maybe' scream.

[Adam]

'Detailed account'. 'What was said'.

To be fair, you do give precise moments when Crispy 'maybe' barks & Sheila/June 'maybe' scream.

But a 'Sheila/Bamber' scenario should have no 'maybe's'. Espescially ones at percific times.