Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

Haloperidol has sedative effects. See the link to my thread. It's also in the COA.

Keep up.

Severe drowsiness is the symptom of an overdose Adam,apart from that,i cant see the word sedation in any web article.

[snow66!]

I agree with some of the police scenario. Although find it doubtful Sheila woke.

If she did wake mid massacre, it would make no difference to the outcome. Bamber had already killed everyone else & violently beaten Nevill. Sheila was not going to stop him finishing the job.

So,if she did wake,she simply waited for her turn to be shot,instead of trying to hide or escape the premises,and if caught make no attempt to struggle.Oops i forgot about the effects of that darned drug called Haloperidol and its sedative effect,also turning you into a moron like someone in a cheap Horror movie who dosnt know to run the hell for their life.

[snow66!]

To be fair the police scenario is 10 times better than Snow's Sheila scenario. This has 6 'maybe's' before Nevill even gets out bed! -

Maybe Sheila shot the twins first.

Maybe Sheila screamed afterwards for some reason. Very loudly.

Maybe this woke Crispy.

Maybe Crispy barked. Very loudly & continuously.

Maybe this woke Nevill. But not June.

Maybe Nevill got out of bed. But did not wake June.

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Don't get me started on June walking around then getting shot in bed & Sheila locking herself in the bathroom.

My Sheila scenario is well within the realms of possibility Adam.

[snow66!]

Rob's Sheila scenario isn't any better. He abandoned it straight away after attempting but failing to adequatly answer 4 of my 34 questions. Quickly changing tactics & saying 'a Sheila scenario is not important'.

Rob now claims Bamber is innocent because he wouldn't use the silencer, then put it away in it's proper place - away from the crime scene!

Well,you must admit,if he used the silencer,the logical thing would be to leave it beside Sheila.Your problem is Adam,you wont let the slightest thought of any jiggery-pokery enter your head.

[snow66!]

To be fair Snow66! agreed his Sheila scenario was rubbish & created his 'revised Sheila scenario'. However that was also rubbish.

As said, Rob won't defend his own Sheila scenario. His main focus is on Bamber putting the silencer away.

Ha ha,thats pretty harsh talk Adam,but slightly amusing.I dont recall saying my scenario was rubbish.

[snow66!]

Simply because Haloperidol is meant to have a calming influence. Combine that with the lethargy caused by her depression, and you have clear picture of what her mental state was. The behaviours she was exhibiting in the fortnight prior to her death were more indications of depression, than problems with medication.

So dont you think depression,along with severe paranoid schizophrenia,just might put you over the edge and do something drastic Jane,ie end it all.After all many suicides happen without any warning that anything was wrong.It was VERY well documented in Sheilas case ,that something was VERY wrong.So why say it was not possible for her to flip.Does it really make more sense,that JB with no underlying mental health problems,carried out the gruesome massacre for MONEY.

[snow66!]

"Ballistic" is hardly an appropriate state to apply to Sheila. Other than throwing things at Colin during a time when she wasn't medicated -and he admits to having provoked her- there doesn't seem to have been anything close to violence in her.

Not even at the sight of her own mother shot to pieces Jane.

[snow66!]

Well I never! I think you may have just rewritten the potential suicide code! It seems that all it takes is "some witnesses" saying the 'victim' "was in good spirits" to mean it wasn't possible for them to "commit suicide"? Supposing you go back and read those who talked about her failing to take care of her personal hygiene and having no interest generally. Even her mother noted her listlessness. Suicide requires mental energy. Something Sheila seemed short on. If she couldn't raise the energy to kill herself, it's highly unlikely she'd have been able to kill four other people first.

By the way, if you want the professional insight to her condition I suggest you read the statements made by her doctor, Dr Hugh Ferguson.

Not quite sure about all that  Jane,and exactly what you mean.I have read Fergusons notes,but those are only his opinions of what she may or may not do.As i have said ,suicides often happen without any knowledge of the person being unwell,In Sheilas case,she was very unwell indeed.So is it really a surprise she just MAY have commited the crime?

[Jane]

Severe drowsiness is the symptom of an overdose Adam,apart from that,i cant see the word sedation in any web article.

"Web articles" provide generic information. I believe you'll will find "sedated" to have been used in one of the reports on Sheila.

[Adam]

Severe drowsiness is the symptom of an overdose Adam,apart from that,i cant see the word sedation in any web article.

Going by Bamber & Pamela Boutflour, severe drowiness describes Sheila a few hours before the massacre.

[Jane]

Not quite sure about all that  Jane,and exactly what you mean.I have read Fergusons notes,but those are only his opinions of what she may or may not do.As i have said ,suicides often happen without any knowledge of the person being unwell,In Sheilas case,she was very unwell indeed.So is it really a surprise she just MAY have commited the crime?

If you're "not quite sure about allk that", may I suggest you have another dip into CAL's book. When it comes down to his notes being "only his opinion", I'd say that after his years of experience, it was something Dr Ferguson was entitled to have.

[snow66!]

Going by Bamber & Pamela Boutflour, severe drowiness describes Sheila a few hours before the massacre.

By Bamber,do you mean JB Adam,if so,i thought he said Sheila didnt join in,in the fostering conversation.When did he say she hsd severe drowsiness? And as for Pamela Boutflour,didnt she only talk to her over the phone,do you mean she knew by the tone of her voice? And just what do you mean by severe drowsiness Adam,was she constantly nodding off or something?

[snow66!]

"Web articles" provide generic information. I believe you'll will find "sedated" to have been used in one of the reports on Sheila.

As i say ,i will read all the available reports from the doctors involved Jane.

[Adam]

By Bamber,do you mean JB Adam,if so,i thought he said Sheila didnt join in,in the fostering conversation.When did he say she hsd severe drowsiness? And as for Pamela Boutflour,didnt she only talk to her over the phone,do you mean she knew by the tone of her voice? And just what do you mean by severe drowsiness Adam,was she constantly nodding off or something?

Bamber said she was non responsive during the fostering conversation.

Pamela Boutflour said Sheila just gave one word answers before June took the phone back.

Bamber felt Sheila was ready resulting in his 10pm call to Julie he refuses to talk about & the massacre a few hours later.

[Rob_]

Rob's Sheila scenario isn't any better. He abandoned it straight away after attempting but failing to adequatly answer 4 of my 34 questions. Quickly changing tactics & saying 'a Sheila scenario is not important'.

Rob now claims Bamber is innocent because he wouldn't use the silencer, then put it away in it's proper place - away from the crime scene!

Still waiting for your revised JB scenario Adam? One that is at least plausible!

Can you explain why according to your preliminary scenario he did his very best to get caught? despite months of detailed planning.