Sheilas Two Shots

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The first shot into Sheila was very damaging & would have knocked her out -

'The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately'.

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There is no evidence Sheila stood up after the first shot. However she was still breathing.

Bamber had to make a decision there & then on a second shot.

Hi Adam good to talk to you again.Now you know that isnt quite true,Vanezis said she may have been able to get up and walk about for a short period of time.So there was nothing stopping her slipping down and immediatelly pulling the trigger again.

[Adam]

Hi Adam good to talk to you again.Now you know that isnt quite true,Vanezis said she may have been able to get up and walk about for a short period of time.So there was nothing stopping her slipping down and immediatelly pulling the trigger again.

He also said there was no evidence this happened.

Someone as physically weak as Sheila would have been knocked out by the first shot.

In the police interviews, Bamber did not challenge the police when they told him Sheila could not have shot herself a second time. He knew that, he was there!

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The two shots were very close together. Both instantly or eventual fatal shots.

Bamber got his angles slightly wrong with the first shot. Although it was still a fatal shot.

So are you saying JB intentionally fired the first shot straight into her neck Adam,thinking this would kill her.?One bullet from a gun for shooting VERMIN.Come on Adam,be fair.And he was off by almost NINETY degrees to get a brain shot,not SLIGHTLY off.

[Adam]

So are you saying JB intentionally fired the first shot straight into her neck Adam,thinking this would kill her.?One bullet from a gun for shooting VERMIN.Come on Adam,be fair.And he was off by almost NINETY degrees to get a brain shot,not SLIGHTLY off.

He wanted to kill Sheila with his first shot. It was a fatal shot. But not instantly.

Bamber had to make a decision whether to fire a second shot.

Having shot everyone else 8, 7, 5 & 3 times, suspect he believed a second shot was a better option than the risk of Sheila remaining alive.

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An early podcast claimed that the first shot was the fatal shot. It's hard to conceive that this was an erroneous claim. The reason I say this is because prior to that claim, the CT has always ran with the official version regarding the order of shots.

Hi Roch.So is this going with the non fatal shot being fired when the rifle was removed by the TFG.Even if this happened,it dosent realy make a difference as regards who the killer was.Does it?

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He wanted to kill Sheila with his first shot. It was a fatal shot. But not instantly.

Bamber had to make a decision whether to fire a second shot.

Having shot everyone else 8, 7, 5 & 3 times, suspect he believed a second shot was a better option than the risk of Sheila remaining alive.

So why didnt he put the first shot up in to her brain Adam.That is the main question of this topic.

[Roch]

Hi Roch.So is this going with the non fatal shot being fired when the rifle was removed by the TFG.Even if this happened,it dosent realy make a difference as regards who the killer was.Does it?

Well if it is not an erroneous claim by the narrator (due to some miscommunication between the narrator and the CT), then the only inference can be that a police officer from one of the teams (not necessarily TFG) fired the second shot post mortem.

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He also said there was no evidence this happened.

Someone as physically weak as Sheila would have been knocked out by the first shot.

In the police interviews, Bamber did not challenge the police when they told him Sheila could not have shot herself a second time. He knew that, he was there!

I did not say she DID get up and walk around,Vanezis simply said it was a possibility.I said she must have shot herself sitting up,then slipped down befofe inflicting the second shot.Also,you are making things up now Adam,there is no evidence the first shot knocked her out,that is only your opinion.And why did the police and Vanezis believe for a month that Sheila COULD have shot herself twice,and even at trial said two bullet suicides were by no means unheard of.No you are simply getting desperate here Adam.

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Well if it is not an erroneous claim by the narrator (due to some miscommunication between the narrator and the CT), then the only inference can be that a police officer from one of the teams (not necessarily TFG) fired the second shot post mortem.

So who are they saying fired the second shot,and for what reason Roch.I am not quite grasping this.

[Roch]

So who are they saying fired the second shot,and for what reason Roch.I am not quite grasping this.

At a guess I would say they are going with an accidental discharge - but I could have this wrong. It could be the truth is closer to some other theory.

[Adam]

I did not say she DID get up and walk around,Vanezis simply said it was a possibility.I said she must have shot herself sitting up,then slipped down befofe inflicting the second shot.Also,you are making things up now Adam,there is no evidence the first shot knocked her out,that is only your opinion.And why did the police and Vanezis believe for a month that Sheila COULD have shot herself twice,and even at trial said two bullet suicides were by no means unheard of.No you are simply getting desperate here Adam.

The first shot was extremly damaging and would have been eventually fatal. It knocked Sheila out as she did not stand or sit up. However she was still breathing.

Bamber did not know if Sheila would contine breathing for another 6 minutes or 6 hours.

[Adam]

The other possibility is Bamber decided beforehand to shoot Sheila twice. So did so in quick succession.

Everyone else had needed 3-8 shots, so there should be no surprise Sheila needed two shots to kill herself.

[Adam]

If originally going for an 11 shot massacre, Sheila would have had to have received one shot.

However once things escalated, he felt 2 shots was not a major problem.

Either way, he had investigated the best location. Both shots would have caused instant or protracted death.

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If originally going for an 11 shot massacre, Sheila would have had to have received one shot.

However once things escalated, he felt 2 shots was not a major problem.

Either way, he had investigated the best location. Both shots would have caused instant or protracted death.

With all due respect Adam ,this is nonsense.Even if you completely sever the jugular vain,it takes a minute to bleed to death.About the only other way for instant death to occur would be to put a bullet in the brain stem.But to manage to aim and fire a shot into it from the front of the throat would have been a hundred to one.Now you are changing your mind and saying JB planned to shoot two shots in rapid succession.But there was a vast difference in the angle of the two shots,so the rifle was moved considerably between them.No to be quite honest nothing you have said rings true Adam,and i think you know it.

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At a guess I would say they are going with an accidental discharge - but I could have this wrong. It could be the truth is closer to some other theory.

But whos Roch. Bubo,Bambergate,Mike?