The drop / pendant earring...

[snow66!]

Hi Snow, I don't have an opinion on it. I'm not saying that she never washed or changed anything whatsoever at any point. However, I think substantial washing is unlikely. It would have washed away the marks on her arms, wrist, hand etc.

Exactly Roch,of course she could have changed her clothes without washing.Lookout thinks there was a third bucket.Did you ever read my post about the lack of blood found on Sheila?Maybe there simply didn't need to be much blood on her night dress.June would have been badly wounded before any scuffle with Sheila,and probably just made a grab at her once the rifle was empty,she would not have been fit to struggle with Sheila and get her blood all over her.

[David1819]

This is nothing more than bluster David. You literally have no feasible explanation, as to how blood could transfer to her wrist and then, as if by magic, freeze in one place, without running in any other direction.

Remember, in order to understand what happened, you have to work out the following:

Where the source of the transfer originated.

When the transfer occurred.

When it froze in its tracks.

Why it froze in its tracks.

You're beat David. You can't provide adequate explanations. Regardless of what happens re the CCRC, it's over for you on this issue. You are soundly beaten.

Living in a fantasy world.

[Rob_]

Not really.. the article probably mocks the deferential attitude that the CCRC display towards original experts.  i have repeatedly said I think JB will die in prison.

If this case is anything to go by Roch you could be right?

Tony Stock died in 2012 still fighting to clear his name: spending from his meagre savings to hire private investigators and hoping beyond hope to see justice. Jon Robins takes up where Stock left off undertaking new research with the support of Glyn Maddocks, Stock's lawyer, and Ralph Barrington, formerly the CCRC's investigations adviser. Previously head of Essex CID, Barrington was so shocked at how the Court of Appeal treated Stock that he pursued it after he retired. 'If anyone seriously believes the Court of Appeal has reformed itself since the dark days of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four, they should study the unreported and amazing case of Tony Stock': Private Eye. 'One of the most outrageous miscarriages of justice of modern times': Barry Sheerman, Labour MP for Huddersfield. 'I would have thought that the injustice done to Tony [Stock] was fairly self-evident and yet his conviction still stands. I find this very difficult to accept'

[lookout]

Because of that evil old Mason, who was RWB, JB will probably die in prison Roch. It makes no difference how many times they swear on oath, what they say goes, whether it be right or wrong. Bad ones have no conscience whatsoever ! He was behind JB's conviction all the way through. Back me up and I'll make it worth your while----is their motto. Sworn to secrecy !

It'll now depend on whether there are any Mason's in the CCRC and not if JB's innocent.

[Jane]

I can only see two buckets in the crime scene photos Lookout.

Only two buckets were spoken of and pictured. It's purely speculative to claim there had been three. On the other hand, who's to say that there hadn't been another one............other than that it seems unusual for there to have been three buckets...........then there's the point that in one bucket there were only two pairs of knickers, so plenty of room for other light garments.

[snow66!]

Only two buckets were spoken of and pictured. It's purely speculative to claim there had been three. On the other hand, who's to say that there hadn't been another one............other than that it seems unusual for there to have been three buckets...........then there's the point that in one bucket there were only two pairs of knickers, so plenty of room for other light garments.

Hi Jane,were the contents of both buckets listed by the police?

[Jane]

Jane, no disrespect but I don't think the penny has dropped for many of the members on here regarding the marks on Sheila's wrist. The penny has dropped for David - and he is stumped. But he can't bring himself to admit this.  So he is thrown back upon contriving whimsical explanations as to how the blood got there in the form that it did. Even to the point where he undermines Vanezis' own claims. Can you and others not see the irony in that? In order to shore up Vanezis, a supporter has had to theorise an explanation that is contrary to Vanezis' own explanation?

Sorry Roch, but the only irony I'm aware of is the lengths you go to putting forward another pathologist as being correct in order to discredit Vanezis. At least Vanezis saw the bodies, even if he didn't see them  in situ. I can only say I believe any whimsy to be your own.

[Jane]

Hi Jane,were the contents of both buckets listed by the police?

I imagine they were as we know that there were two pairs of boy's trousers in one bucket, and two pairs of knickers in the other.............although for the life of me, I can't think why they'd have thought it necessary. After all, it was believed to have been a clear-cut case of murder suicide.

[snow66!]

I imagine they were as we know that there were two pairs of boy's trousers in one bucket, and two pairs of knickers in the other.............although for the life of me, I can't think why they'd have thought it necessary. After all, it was believed to have been a clear-cut case of murder suicide.

Thanks for the info Jane.Maybe the police were checking the buckets for bullet casings or something,and noted the contents while they were at it.

[Roch]

Sorry Roch, but the only irony I'm aware of is the lengths you go to putting forward another pathologist as being correct in order to discredit Vanezis. At least Vanezis saw the bodies, even if he didn't see them  in situ. I can only say I believe any whimsy to be your own.

Jane, that's because you don't yet understand what you're looking at.

[Roch]

Living in a fantasy world.

On this issue, you're like the forum's own Boris Johnson. Nowhere to hide, clinging on as if you can still snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, guilters your only friends. 😏

You are being asked questions of substance. But your replies lack any substance whatsoever.

[Jane]

On this issue, you're like the forum's own Boris Johnson. Nowhere to hide, clinging on as if you can still snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, guilters your only friends. 😏

You are being asked questions of substance. But your replies lack any substance whatsoever.

"Your replies lack any substance whatsoever"!!!! Now who does that sound like? Please don't go there, Roch.

[Roch]

"Your replies lack any substance whatsoever"!!!! Now who does that sound like? Please don't go there, Roch.

Check my questions to David and then compare David's answers in response. How am I wrong in asserting that my questions to him have substance, whereas his answers lack substance? Sorry Jane but you come across like you don't want to understand this issue.

[Roch]

Exactly Roch,of course she could have changed her clothes without washing.Lookout thinks there was a third bucket.Did you ever read my post about the lack of blood found on Sheila?Maybe there simply didn't need to be much blood on her night dress.June would have been badly wounded before any scuffle with Sheila,and probably just made a grab at her once the rifle was empty,she would not have been fit to struggle with Sheila and get her blood all over her.

I did not see your post. However, I think it's possible regarding your suggestion that June might have been wounded when she struggled with Sheila.  Sheila fought without the impediment of gunshot wounds. She probably also had the element of surprise. In addition to this, how could Nevill and June have predicted the lethality of her assault? I imagine that it would have been a nightmare for June and Nevill, in the most horrifying sense of that term.

[lookout]

I can only see two buckets in the crime scene photos Lookout.

Snow, in AE's statement, she said three buckets.